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Oh goodness no. I think we should have treatment available. If you are going to give them a drug test, then also give them treatment.
Typical conservative mentality. Either I'm for anti drug laws or I'm for drug cartels. :roll:
If you have a $62 million investment, representing the biggest single chunk of your $218 million in wealth, and you put it in a trust under your wife's name, does that mean you're no longer involved in the company?
Florida Gov. Rick Scott says it does.
Scott has aggressively pursued policies like testing state workers and welfare recipients for drugs, switching Medicaid patients to private HMOs and shrinking public health clinics. All these changes could benefit that $62 million investment, but Scott sees no legal conflict between his public role and private investments.
As far as I am concerned. Good. I don't mind pissing in front of someone, do it all the time in a public restroom. It really is simple. Do drugs, don't eat. Don't do drugs and eat. Personally I'd rather eat. But hey...thats just me.
You are missing the point or perhaps you want to ignore it. We are not talking about drug addicts. Most people who need assistance from the state are NOT drug addicts. Most of the people who need public assistance are in dire straits because they can't find work.
If it was just the drug users, I would agree with you, but I don't believe in making their children starve to prove a point. I am just not that cold hearted.
You are missing the point or perhaps you want to ignore it. We are not talking about drug addicts. Most people who need assistance from the state are NOT drug addicts. Most of the people who need public assistance are in dire straits because they can't find work.
if they are drug addicts the kids need removed from the home until the parent gets clean. Sorry, that's just how I feel about it.
Also if an able bodied person is on welfare they should be looking for work. You can't get hired anywhere if you can't pass a drug test. Oh yea, and if you take a drug test for a job, PLEASE DON'T CALL THE NEXT MORNING AND ASK IF YOU PASSED.
Wow..people do this? Last time I took a piss test to get a job I was notified by the people that did the test before I even left that I was clean.
Wow..people do this? Last time I took a piss test to get a job I was notified by the people that did the test before I even left that I was clean.
You didn't already know??
Knew someone would bring this up. IMO anyone that does drugs should have thier children taken away. Do this and the children won't suffer not only from not having food but also from not having drug addicts as parents.
Of course I did. Doesn't mean they didn't inform me about it anyways. I was on my way out the door when the nurse at the counter told me to wait a minute. Then the technician came and told me it.
If a parent decided they didn't want to feed a child because they had a disability, they would be most likely find themselves sitting in prison. This governor and those who support this bill are no different. Drug addiction is a disease and can be cured or managed. If I were a dictator and came to power, I'd know some of the first people to kill.
OK, so you have now taken the children away. They are now property of the government. What do we do with the kids, now that we have custody of them, and how will we pay for it?
It's simple logic. You take the poorest group of people who at the same time are addicted to drugs and you take the money away that they have been using to support their habit. Do you think they are magically going to be cured of their drug habits? Do you think that they are just going to be able to up and quit? These are not people who can afford treatment.
These are people who will likely steal, prostitute, gamble, or whatever it takes to get their fix. They are going to end up in prison where the tax payers will end up paying a lot more. Heck, the drug tests aren't free either. That will cost tax payers quite substantially as well.
You really think you are morally superior to these people?
A lot of these people live very crappy lives and drugs are about the only escape they have.
Most started well before they were even adults and have been addicted for years. All these kinds of laws do is take them off the streets and put them in prison on the tax payer's dime. If you were born in their circumstances, you would likely have turned out the same way.
I think the cost of drug testing is going to cost much more than amount we will be saving from those that do use drugs. This has actually already been touched on in another thread specific to Florida. If it would save money, or if the drug testing itself was free then I would probably be all for it, but it is most likely going to waste money and not be effective. I think it is just Rick Scott trying to make money for his business.
I"ve always said that if we're going to drug test welfare recipients we should also drug test our politicians as well as the employees, managers, and executives of any business that receives a government contract.
The addict doesn't care about themselves, and the Mayor certainly doesn't care about them, so why not implement this beneficial national program?
Or put the kid up for adoption. IE no prison time required.
And yes drug addiction can be cured/managed. As such perhaps they should be getting help instead of toking it up while spending tax dollars.
So, remind why drugs are illegal again? Except for alcohol and tobacco, of course, because those don't have any harmful side effects.
Technically they aren't illegal, they are regulated. They are "controlled" substances. The government is free to regulate commerce.
Oh yeah, "controlled." The kind of "controlled" where you get thrown in the slammer for 10 years for possessing/selling the stuff. I tend to spell that kind of "controlled" i-l-l-e-g-a-l.
Or we could just seek to reduce poverty which directly contributes to drug use, provide treatment to drug abusers, and reduce the penalty of drug crimes to fines that go to pay for the treatment programs.
The Mayor should work on developing some human compassion.
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