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Fight For $15 Is A Bust

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The left's only excuse is "Well, it would have happened anyway". No, it wouldn't have, at least not anytime soon. Liberals just don't realize and never will how destructive their policies are.
 
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The left's only excuse is "Well, it would have happened anyway". No, it wouldn't have, at least not anytime soon. Liberals just don't realize and never will how destructive their policies are.

I expect the next change to the MW law to be treating large and small employers differently, as was done with PPACA employer mandates. Automation makes much more sense for large employers. If you have only one or two cashiers then the savings from automating them are not sufficient to replace them with self checkout stations - mainly because you still need someone to assist "dumb" folks and to watch for "cheaters" that skip scanning a few choice items taken from the shelves. That creates "unfairness" since mainly large emloyers can afford to automate to escape using labor not worth the new and much higher "living" MW. A universal $15/hour (or more) MW would allow the big box (and online?) outlets an even greater price (cost of sales?) advantages when (not if) they automate - crushing many small shops in short order.
 
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The left's only excuse is "Well, it would have happened anyway". No, it wouldn't have, at least not anytime soon. Liberals just don't realize and never will how destructive their policies are.

They didn't come out in droves behind the liberal cause and vote. But they sure seem to like a little fun on the streets.
 
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The left's only excuse is "Well, it would have happened anyway".
:roll:

Or: It was happening anyway. Fast food / fast casual restaurants started using ordering kiosks long before minimum wages started going up. McDonalds started rolling out ordering kiosks across the US in August 2015:
McDonald's new restaurant of the future - Business Insider

Panera Bread got started in 2014:
Panera goes to high-tech ordering

Meanwhile, the article (unsurprisingly) showed absolutely no data whatsoever that unemployment rates changed one iota in the states that increased their minimum wages. What a surprise.

Aside from the article cherry-picking facts, even you cannot believe that those kiosks cost exactly $10/hour to operate, making them only worth utilizing in states that have pushed MW above $10. (Note: Almost no jurisdiction has currently pushed MW to $15/hour, almost all are not scheduled to hit that amount for at least 2 years.)

But hey, who cares about facts? It's the Post-Truth era, right? Right.
 

It wasn't happening on a large scale. The fight for $15 movement was just throwing gas on a little spark.
 
It wasn't happening on a large scale. The fight for $15 movement was just throwing gas on a little spark.

We've had self checkout lanes for nearly ten years now. Yes, it's been happening on a large scale, and I know of no major retailer that isn't utilizing them, and numerous restaurants have incorporated them as well, all before the minimum wage.
 
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