Federal appeals court says Trump unlawfully invoked the Alien Enemies Act for deportations

[Logophile]

Trump supporters and Republicans want the right to act like assholes without consequences, but they’re never going to get that right.

Actually it's just the opposite

 

[W_Heisenberg]

If an organization is coming into the US taking over buildings and stymied law enforcement, while preying on citizens with violence, drugs, and illegal weapons, while being illegal immigrants---that seems to be a predatory incursion to me

This is isn’t happening and no matter how many times Trump or Fox News lies about it and no matter how much you hate Latin Americans, this lie you guys are spreading, doesn’t become more true.

This immigrants you hate so much are just normal people looking for a job. That’s it. It’s not more complicated than that.

And here’s the ugly truth. This lie being spread by the Trump administration to deny people who have no criminal record and who aren’t members of a gang their due process rights to send them to a foreign prisoners where they will be beaten and sexually abused. That is really ****ed up. That’s unamerican, and I don’t know how Republicans can look at themselves in the mirror. Trump and his supporters are happy with violating the Constitution to deprive people of their individual rights. It’s a violation of our traditional values and principles.

If you want to deport them fine, but do it the right way, consistent with the law and our values.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

This is Trump's solution to the problem. What's yours?

What problem? What are you talking about? Define the problem. Do you think there is some massive incursion of gang members? There isn’t. And if you think there is you’re the victim of anti-immigrant propaganda. propaganda intended to use immigrants as scapegoats, and you fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. So I reject the premise of your question entirely.

Assuming you’re talking about undocumented immigrants in general, and you’re just leaning on this propaganda about gangs as a means of making your case, and you’re really just talking about undocumented immigrants in general:

To begin with, the government, when it deports people, should refrain from violating federal law and violating the Constitution. And if this slows the process of deportation I don’t give a shit. And if it irritates Trump supporter that we are not immediately deporting hundreds of thousands or millions of immigrants. I don’t give a shit. Our constitution is more important than the hatred Trump supporters have for Latin Americans. End of story.

And if Trump supporters have got a problem with the constitution then theyre the problem, not the immigrants. Those immigrants haven’t tried to destroy the Constitutional order, Trump and his supporters have, they’ve done this through their support of a wannabe dictator. They are the threat to America, not the immigrants.

With respect to immigration policy, it doesn’t matter to me what the policy is compared to the basic structure of our government. I have my policy preferences, like vastly expanding a legal worker program. But I don’t think that’s where the fight is right now. Trump and his supporters and Republicans are no longer arguing about whether undocumented immigrants should be deported, they’re now arguing that Trump should be made a virtual dictator to solve the “problem”: and if that’s someone’s solution I would call that person a traitor to our country’s founding values.

The bottom line is it’s unconstitutional for the Trump admin to use the AEA as the basis for deporting people. And if you really loved America you wouldn’t support Trump violating the Constitution to achieve your political goals.

 

[OpportunityCost]

This is isn’t happening and no matter how many times Trump or Fox News lies about it and no matter how much you hate Latin Americans, this lie you guys are spreading, doesn’t become more true.

This immigrants you hate so much are just normal people looking for a job. That’s it. It’s not more complicated than that.

And here’s the ugly truth. This lie being spread by the Trump administration to deny people who have no criminal record and who aren’t members of a gang their due process rights to send them to a foreign prisoners where they will be beaten and sexually abused. That is really ****ed up. That’s unamerican, and I don’t know how Republicans can look at themselves in the mirror. Trump and his supporters are happy with violating the Constitution to deprive people of their individual rights. It’s a violation of our traditional values and principles.

If you want to deport them fine, but do it the right way, consistent with the law and our values.

/yawn quit your yapping. If even one foreign person took over a building and started coercing tenants for money, selling drugs, and brandishing weapons, you would be all over it. How is it different when a criminal organization linked to Maduro does it?

 

[OpportunityCost]

This is isn’t happening and no matter how many times Trump or Fox News lies about it and no matter how much you hate Latin Americans, this lie you guys are spreading, doesn’t become more true.

This immigrants you hate so much are just normal people looking for a job. That’s it. It’s not more complicated than that.

And here’s the ugly truth. This lie being spread by the Trump administration to deny people who have no criminal record and who aren’t members of a gang their due process rights to send them to a foreign prisoners where they will be beaten and sexually abused. That is really ****ed up. That’s unamerican, and I don’t know how Republicans can look at themselves in the mirror. Trump and his supporters are happy with violating the Constitution to deprive people of their individual rights. It’s a violation of our traditional values and principles.

If you want to deport them fine, but do it the right way, consistent with the law and our values.

Venezuelan gang members broke into apartments, charged immigrants rent: police

Police arrested more than a dozen people suspected of being members of the notorious Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua in an early morning raid Saturday.

news4sanantonio.com

Isn't happening? Please, get better sources.

 

[OpportunityCost]

i'm sure it "seems" to be that to you. Trump supporters will go to great mental gymnastics to justify his actions. Your description could justify this act for almost any situation involvingmore than one person, which doesn't make sense.

what is the solution? follow the law to deport illegals using the same methods we've used to deport illegals for many years.

And has made it worse for decades. What's the definition of insanity again?

 

[Slartibartfast]

If an organization is coming into the US taking over buildings and stymied law enforcement, while preying on citizens with violence, drugs, and illegal weapons, while being illegal immigrants---that seems to be a predatory incursion to me. Even if they are not acting on behalf of another country, they are acting in accordance with a larger organization that controls parts of another country.

This is Trump's solution to the problem. What's yours?

It’s a RICO case at best.

 

[snakestretcher]

Checks and balances are such a pain in the ass!

Especially where wannabe dictators are concerned. Trump is probably seething over this further confirmation that he is not omnipotent.

 

[snakestretcher]

And has made it worse for decades. What's the definition of insanity again?

Ask Trump and his failing tariffs; he's the expert in mental illness. His first term tariff stunt failed, and this repeated insanity is also failing. You should tell the simpleton you elected that tariffs aren't free money, as he appears to believe.

Trump Tariffs Failed To Improve U.S. Trade In His First Term

With Donald Trump threatening strict new tariffs, an assessment of the impact of his protectionist policies in his first term shows mixed results.

www.forbes.com

Trump’s tariffs have already failed at their main job

Trump’s team had grand ambitions for reordering global trade. They’re backing down.

www.vox.com

Trump’s tariffs: Disregarding lessons from history and scenarios and probable outcomes

History is full of evidence that tariffs harm economic performance. This column assesses the two waves of globalisation in modern history and how they were interrupted by barriers to trade. The first wave started in the mid-19th century and lasted until WWI, while the second wave started after...

cepr.org

 

[MTAtech]

If an organization is coming into the US taking over buildings and stymied law enforcement, while preying on citizens with violence, drugs, and illegal weapons, while being illegal immigrants---that seems to be a predatory incursion to me. Even if they are not acting on behalf of another country, they are acting in accordance with a larger organization that controls parts of another country.

This is Trump's solution to the problem. What's yours?

Your problem is that you consume propaganda from the sources that you watch. Fortunately, there is a simple solution: change the channel.

Aurora police chief says there's no evidence that Venezuelan gang took over apartment​

Aurora police chief says there's no evidence that Venezuelan gang took over apartment. Video of gang members in an Aurora, Colo., apartment building had right wing media declaring the city's takeover by Venezuelan gangs. Police say that's hyperbole.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Your problem is that you consume propaganda from the sources that you watch. Fortunately, there is a simple solution: change the channel.

Aurora police chief says there's no evidence that Venezuelan gang took over apartment​

Aurora police chief says there's no evidence that Venezuelan gang took over apartment. Video of gang members in an Aurora, Colo., apartment building had right wing media declaring the city's takeover by Venezuelan gangs. Police say that's hyperbole.

Your problem is you didn't read my source. San Antonio was the place in question.

My source was the local NBC affiliate.

womp womp

 

[CaughtInThe]

We can argue all we want but this sums it up...

 

[ncguy]

And has made it worse for decades. What's the definition of insanity again?

Crime rates are going down, I don't see this crises that requires Trump's actions

Both the FBI and BJS data show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s, when crime spiked across much of the nation.

Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2022

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[OpportunityCost]

Crime rates are going down, I don't see this crises that requires Trump's actions

Both the FBI and BJS data show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s, when crime spiked across much of the nation.

Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and 2022

What the data says about crime in the U.S.

Federal statistics show dramatic declines in U.S. violent and property crime rates since the early 1990s.

www.pewresearch.org

The intersection of illegal immigration and gang violence.