Feces and the Garden of Eden

[GIJane]

And what a bizarre topic.

 

[Daisy]

There is no logic or reasoning as the Bible is based on Faith, not intellectual reasoning. Why do you think many scientists are atheists?

If that was true Paul would not have been successful in his reasoning with people...we would have no success today, in our preaching work, yet the numbers continue to grow...

"They now traveled through Am·phipʹo·lis and Ap·ol·loʹni·a and came to Thes·sa·lo·niʹca,+ where there was a synagogue of the Jews.  So according to Paul’s custom+ he went inside to them, and for three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,  explaining and proving by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer+ and to rise from the dead,+ saying: “This is the Christ, this Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you.”  As a result, some of them became believers and associated themselves with Paul and Silas,+ and so did a great multitude of the Greeks who worshipped God, along with quite a few of the principal women." Acts 17:1-4

 

[GIJane]

If that was true Paul would not have been successful in his reasoning with people...we would have no success today, in our preaching work, yet the numbers continue to grow...

"They now traveled through Am·phipʹo·lis and Ap·ol·loʹni·a and came to Thes·sa·lo·niʹca,+ where there was a synagogue of the Jews.  So according to Paul’s custom+ he went inside to them, and for three sabbaths he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,  explaining and proving by references that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer+ and to rise from the dead,+ saying: “This is the Christ, this Jesus whom I am proclaiming to you.”  As a result, some of them became believers and associated themselves with Paul and Silas,+ and so did a great multitude of the Greeks who worshipped God, along with quite a few of the principal women." Acts 17:1-4

You're assuming I like Paul. I do not. I subscribe to the Jefferson philosophy of Jesus being the only words worth teaching and hearing.

 

[Daisy]

You're assuming I like Paul. I do not. I subscribe to the Jefferson philosophy of Jesus being the only words worth teaching and hearing.

Well then, no one reasoned better than Jesus Christ...

Jesus made remarkable use of questions. He often did so even when it would have been less time-consuming just to tell his listeners the point. Why, then, did he ask questions? Occasionally, he used piercing questions to expose the motives of his opposers, thereby silencing them. (Matthew 12:24-30; 21:23-27; 22:41-46) In many cases, however, Jesus took the time to ask questions in order to convey truths, to get his listeners to express what was in their hearts, and to stimulate and train the thinking of his disciples. Let us examine two examples, both involving the apostle Peter.

In his ministry, Jesus often made use of another effective teaching method—hyperbole. This is an intentional exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis. With hyperbole, Jesus created mental pictures that were hard to forget. Let us consider a few examples.

In the Sermon on the Mount, when stressing the need to “stop judging” others, Jesus said: “Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?” (Matthew 7:1-3) Can you visualize the scene? Someone who is prone to be critical offers to extract a mere straw from his brother’s “eye.” The critic would be claiming that his brother could not see matters clearly enough so as to render acceptable judgments. But the critic’s own ability to judge is impaired by a “rafter”—a log or beam that might be used to support a roof. What an unforgettable way to stress how foolish it is to criticize the minor faults of our brothers when we may have major faults of our own!

On another occasion, Jesus denounced the Pharisees as “blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel.” (Matthew 23:24) This was a particularly powerful use of hyperbole. Why? The contrast between a tiny gnat and a camel, which was one of the largest animals known to Jesus’ hearers, was striking. It is estimated that it would take up to 70 million gnats to equal the weight of an average camel! Also, Jesus knew that the Pharisees strained their wine through a cloth sieve. Those sticklers for rules did that in order to avoid swallowing a gnat and thereby become ceremonially unclean. Yet, they figuratively gulped down the camel, which was also unclean. (Leviticus 11:4, 21-24) Jesus’ point was clear. The Pharisees meticulously complied with the smallest of the Law’s requirements, but they disregarded the weightier matters—“justice and mercy and faithfulness.” (Matthew 23:23) How clearly Jesus exposed them for what they were!

With his perfect mind, Jesus was a master at reasoning logically with people. Yet, he never misused this ability. In his teaching, he always employed his keen mental faculties to advance truth. At times, he used powerful logic to refute the false charges of his religious opposers. In many instances, he used logical reasoning in order to teach his disciples important lessons.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002642

 

[Fearandloathing]

In Genesis, a number of curses were described with the Fall of Man. None of them involved a sudden need to defecate, or the addition of organ systems and orifices to the body. Adam and Eve both ate of the fruit trees, and, one might presume, therefore had a need to defecate.

But before the Fall, they knew nothing of Good or Evil. They lived in bliss, without suffering. Without tripping over during a dance move and getting a snootful of something they didn't know to dig a latrine to deal with. (How often did it rain in the Garden anyway? Did they have rainy days?)

The AI dealt with this by saying that the poop didn't stink. No bacteria, no corruption. It cited Saint Thomas Aquinas but, because they're trying to start pushing people onto a pro tier, they only linked to bloggers like this guy.

To my mind that raises other questions. I mean, if Adam and Eve were really pooping peach jam with a pleasant odor and texture, were they sitting around eating each other's excrement? They wouldn't have been ashamed to, after all.

Now I could go further afield with doctrine... "Behold, the man has become like one of us, to know good and evil." Does that really mean that Adam and Eve became aware when an action was bad, so that beforehand Adam could have bashed Eve in the head with a stick and not felt anything about it? Or does it mean that they became capable of doing the wrong thing, and therefore "knowing" (participating in) both good and evil? Now if that were the case, then pre-Fall, feces could have stunk, bacteria could already have existed, but it was always - always - dealt with in a responsible way, because the humans couldn't sin. Even babies, if born in that state, might have gotten up to relieve themselves responsibly, even if they didn't know why or have a word for the facilities they used, or else the parents would have known always in advance how to deal with their needs in a timely way. But since the original sin happened, that implies some kind of special exception for it, possibly due to Satan being an angel?

Wow....

Way too detailed and elaborate for what is a complete fiction.

I'm still focused on the fact he created only ONE woman.

All those races and sub humans in one seed !!!!


God's got balls

 

[GIJane]

Well then, no one reasoned better than Jesus Christ...

Jesus made remarkable use of questions. He often did so even when it would have been less time-consuming just to tell his listeners the point. Why, then, did he ask questions? Occasionally, he used piercing questions to expose the motives of his opposers, thereby silencing them. (Matthew 12:24-30; 21:23-27; 22:41-46) In many cases, however, Jesus took the time to ask questions in order to convey truths, to get his listeners to express what was in their hearts, and to stimulate and train the thinking of his disciples. Let us examine two examples, both involving the apostle Peter.

In his ministry, Jesus often made use of another effective teaching method—hyperbole. This is an intentional exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis. With hyperbole, Jesus created mental pictures that were hard to forget. Let us consider a few examples.

In the Sermon on the Mount, when stressing the need to “stop judging” others, Jesus said: “Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the rafter in your own eye?” (Matthew 7:1-3) Can you visualize the scene? Someone who is prone to be critical offers to extract a mere straw from his brother’s “eye.” The critic would be claiming that his brother could not see matters clearly enough so as to render acceptable judgments. But the critic’s own ability to judge is impaired by a “rafter”—a log or beam that might be used to support a roof. What an unforgettable way to stress how foolish it is to criticize the minor faults of our brothers when we may have major faults of our own!

On another occasion, Jesus denounced the Pharisees as “blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel.” (Matthew 23:24) This was a particularly powerful use of hyperbole. Why? The contrast between a tiny gnat and a camel, which was one of the largest animals known to Jesus’ hearers, was striking. It is estimated that it would take up to 70 million gnats to equal the weight of an average camel! Also, Jesus knew that the Pharisees strained their wine through a cloth sieve. Those sticklers for rules did that in order to avoid swallowing a gnat and thereby become ceremonially unclean. Yet, they figuratively gulped down the camel, which was also unclean. (Leviticus 11:4, 21-24) Jesus’ point was clear. The Pharisees meticulously complied with the smallest of the Law’s requirements, but they disregarded the weightier matters—“justice and mercy and faithfulness.” (Matthew 23:23) How clearly Jesus exposed them for what they were!

With his perfect mind, Jesus was a master at reasoning logically with people. Yet, he never misused this ability. In his teaching, he always employed his keen mental faculties to advance truth. At times, he used powerful logic to refute the false charges of his religious opposers. In many instances, he used logical reasoning in order to teach his disciples important lessons.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002642

The Bible says Jesus was perfect. I feel Jesus would have never thought of himself that way. I HIGLY doubt he ever considered if there was crap in the Garden of Eden. This is as ridiculous a topic as how many angels can fit on the head of a pen.
The answer is unknowable.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The Bible says Jesus was perfect. I feel Jesus would have never thought of himself that way. I HIGLY doubt he ever considered if there was crap in the Garden of Eden. This is as ridiculous a topic as how many angels can fit on the head of a pen.
The answer is unknowable.

Have you read how Jesus talked about himself in The Gospels? Its not in a hesitant way. In fact, he got into a lot of trouble with the local powers because of how he talked about himself.

 

[Daisy]

The Bible says Jesus was perfect. I feel Jesus would have never thought of himself that way. I HIGLY doubt he ever considered if there was crap in the Garden of Eden. This is as ridiculous a topic as how many angels can fit on the head of a pen.
The answer is unknowable.

Of course there was crap in the garden...where there's living creatures, there's crap...what goes in much come out...but I agree...stupid topic...

 

[tosca1]

In Genesis, a number of curses were described with the Fall of Man. None of them involved a sudden need to defecate, or the addition of organ systems and orifices to the body.

Have I stumbled into the Twilight Zone?







Lol - God did describe where Eve was taken from. RIBS!


Did the Bible mention a penis and a vagina?

Does it have to be given to you step-by-step? Kinda like a pre-school narrative?
Hahahaha what do you want? A picture book too? On the scientific composition of a human body? Bodily functions?

Hahahahaha silly thread. But serves as a comic relief!
CHEERS!

 

[tosca1]

There is no logic or reasoning as the Bible is based on Faith, not intellectual reasoning. Why do you think many scientists are atheists?

That's a common misconception from those who lack understanding of the Bible.
In fact, The Scriptures is based on logic........after all, who gave us intelligence? The freedom to discern?


You think Satan has no agent in the science community?
Or everywhere, including churches?
Wherever he can cause confusion and draw people away from God?



Btw, many atheist scientists had converted to becoming believers...................based on what they'd discovered.

 

[bythoughts]

Lol - God did describe where Eve was taken from. RIBS!

I said nothing about addition. Didn't mention subtraction.

It wouldn't have made much sense to describe a male childbirth using the usual organs, after all.

The text is a description of an archetype, and translation is dicey even for much more recent words. Jesus gave people one prayer, and there's a word in it that nobody knows what it means - a "hapax legomenon". I have no qualifications dealing with Hebrew, but I imagine the use of the word "rib" in Genesis could mean a lot of different things. Think how we use the word figuratively to mean the reinforcements on a ship or patterns on a rubber... I bet you could even argue it was really an old term for "DNA"

 

[tosca1]

I said nothing about addition. Didn't mention subtraction.

It wouldn't have made much sense to describe a male childbirth using the usual organs, after all.

The text is a description of an archetype, and translation is dicey even for much more recent words. Jesus gave people one prayer, and there's a word in it that nobody knows what it means - a "hapax legomenon". I have no qualifications dealing with Hebrew, but I imagine the use of the word "rib" in Genesis could mean a lot of different things. Think how we use the word figuratively to mean the reinforcements on a ship or patterns on a rubber... I bet you could even argue it was really an old term for "DNA"

The genders are given. male and female.
The Bible was being orally passed - and later on being read - by people who already know and understand what males and females are.

Adam and Eve would've explained it to their children what sex organs are.....................or maybe, they had twigged on already.
If God meant for them to multiply - you think there would be any issue about it?


Lol - tell me, do you have to know the scientific term and how it works with your sex organ................... for you to be able to function?

The text is a description of an archetype, and translation is dicey even for much more recent words

In this current culture, I suppose genders will be dicey to those who are confused what genders they belong to.

 

[bythoughts]

In this current culture, I suppose genders will be dicey to those who are confused what genders they belong to.

Well, even if Adam had a big nose and Eve had a little nose, then there must be some way that the world now has all shapes and sizes of noses. Creators create ... it's what they do.

 

[tosca1]

Well, even if Adam had a big nose and Eve had a little nose, then there must be some way that the world now has all shapes and sizes of noses. Creators create ... it's what they do.

You're not making any sense.
And, that's not funny at all.


have a nice day.

 

[tosca1]

I said nothing about addition. Didn't mention subtraction.

It wouldn't have made much sense to describe a male childbirth using the usual organs, after all.

The text is a description of an archetype, and translation is dicey even for much more recent words. Jesus gave people one prayer, and there's a word in it that nobody knows what it means - a "hapax legomenon". I have no qualifications dealing with Hebrew, but I imagine the use of the word "rib" in Genesis could mean a lot of different things. Think how we use the word figuratively to mean the reinforcements on a ship or patterns on a rubber... I bet you could even argue it was really an old term for "DNA"

Silly it may be.....................but, it brought on an idea to me.
I just thought of something.


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Thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Jun 8, 2023

Contrary to what some keep insisting, that there is no evidence.............................. there are actually many evidences for GOD.
And all these evidences corroborate with one another - strengthening what is already partly established - to form a powerful presentation of an undeniable evidence for God.



Let's all be reminded too, that science has not ruled out GOD.
In fact, science acknowledges RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.


The National Academy of Sciences also says

Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about...

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[GIJane]

That's a common misconception from those who lack understanding of the Bible.
In fact, The Scriptures is based on logic........after all, who gave us intelligence? The freedom to discern?


You think Satan has no agent in the science community?
Or everywhere, including churches?
Wherever he can cause confusion and draw people away from God?



Btw, many atheist scientists had converted to becoming believers...................based on what they'd discovered.

Again. Faith. One has to believe in the Bible by FAITH to accept what the Scriptures say. Just you bring satan's name into the conversation does not mean you're right.

 

[Metanoia]

That's a common misconception from those who lack understanding of the Bible.
In fact, The Scriptures is based on logic........after all, who gave us intelligence? The freedom to discern?

This is almost laughable. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Read 1 Corinthians 10-15. It is man’s wisdom
That is built on logic, rational thinking, intelligence, and science. The Beatitudes are without logic as is turning the cheek. Are you implying that Christians have higher intelligence because God gave them intelligence ?

 

[tosca1]

Again. Faith. One has to believe in the Bible by FAITH to accept what the Scriptures say. Just you bring satan's name into the conversation does not mean you're right.

I hope my dear @Daisy would re-consider her liking your post.




I'm talking about this part of your post, GIJane:

There is no logic or reasoning as the Bible is based on Faith,

That's a common misconception when it comes to the Bible.

All you have to do is read it..........and you'll find so much reason and logic in it!
Lol - just the chapter of advise from Solomon would be a good example.
Lol - timely too, since I'm on Proverbs these days!



Let's go back to the bible:

God gave us intelligence.
Why?

The Biblical Basis for the Laws of Logic​

Laws of logic are the rules of correct reasoning. They reflect the way God thinks and the way we must think if we are to think correctly. Laws of logic are also called “rules of inference.”
Correct reasoning can never violate a law of logic. There are many laws of logic. But three are considered the most basic or primary. Let’s examine these three and how they stem from the mind of God.


The Christian Worldview is the Basis for Laws of Logic

In the Christian worldview, laws of logic are justified; that means we have a good reason or reasons to believe in them and we know they have the characteristics that they have. We can make sense of laws of logic and their properties. Laws of logic are the standard of correct reasoning. And in the Christian worldview, we have an absolute, objective standard for correct reasoning: God. Laws of logic reflect the way God thinks and are rooted in His nature. We can have non-physical things that do exist like laws of logic in the Christian worldview. After all, God Himself is non-physical, and yet He exists. God is not made of atoms, and does not have one specific location in space, yet He is real. Likewise, laws of logic are non-material, but they do exist.


We have the ability to use laws of logic because we are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). Our mind has a finite capacity to reflect God’s thoughts, as described in the laws of logic.
God has revealed some of His thoughts to us. Therefore, we can know about laws of logic.
Secular thinkers cannot make sense of laws of logic. Many secularists hold to the belief of materialism. This is the belief that everything that exists is physical – like matter and energy.
But laws of logic are not physical. They have no material substance, and no particular location in space. They cannot exist in a materialistic universe.
Yet materialists continue to use laws of logic, despite the fact that they cannot make sense of them. Their thinking is contradictory, and therefore cannot be consistently true.
This glaring inconsistency is typical of those who reject the Bible.


Conclusion

All people know something about the laws of logic. Even those who have never formally studied these laws and cannot recite them nonetheless use these laws in their thinking.
The Christian worldview can make sense of the existence and properties of laws of logic, as well as our ability to know and use them. But no other worldview can justify them.
A person might assert that laws of logic just “are” and have the properties that they have (universal, invariant, abstract).
But apart from the Bible, one can never account for how a human being can possibly know these things. How can a person know that something is universal when no one has universal experience?
How can a person know that laws of logic are invariant when we have not experienced the future? Only God can know such things on His own authority, and it is only by revelation from God that we can know these things. And this is exactly what the Christian worldview provides: revelation from God that makes knowledge possible.

Truly, the fear of the Lord is beginning of knowledge (Proverbs 1:7).

The Biblical Basis for the Laws of Logic | Biblical Science Institute

biblicalscienceinstitute.com

Sure you need faith in believing........but one does not require faith to see logic and reason.

Do we see logic and reason - do we even recognize it?
That's, the question.

 

[tosca1]

There is no logic or reasoning as the Bible is based on Faith, not intellectual reasoning. Why do you think many scientists are atheists?

@Daisy


Continuation:


About the article above - thanks to your post, I just stumbled into it and was quite taken by the explanation.
It was written by Dr. Lisle.
Here's his profile:





Dr. Jason Lisle is a Christian astrophysicist who researches issues pertaining to science and the Christian Faith.
A popular speaker and author, Dr. Lisle presents a rational defense of a literal Genesis, showing how science confirms the history recorded in the Bible.
Brought up in a Christian family, at a young age he received Christ as Lord. Since then Lisle has always desired to serve the Lord out of love and gratitude for salvation, and to spread the Gospel message to all people.



Dr. Lisle double-majored in physics and astronomy with a minor in mathematics at Ohio Wesleyan University. He then went on to obtain a Master’s degree and Ph.D. in astrophysics at the University of Colorado in Boulder. There, he used the SOHO spacecraft to analyze the surface of the sun, and made a number of interesting discoveries, including the detection of giant cell boundaries.
Since then, Lisle has worked in full-time apologetics ministry. He wrote a number of planetarium shows for the Creation Museum, including the popular “Created Cosmos.”
Dr. Lisle has authored a number of best-selling books on the topic of creation, including: Taking Back Astronomy, Stargazer’s Guide to the Night Sky, the Ultimate Proof of Creation, Discerning Truth,
and Understanding Genesis.

https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/dr-lisle/

 

[tosca1]

This is almost laughable. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Read 1 Corinthians 10-15. It is man’s wisdom
That is built on logic, rational thinking, intelligence, and science

Posts #43 and #44.




Here is 1 Cor 10: 15


1 Cor 10 (NASB)
14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise people; you then, judge what I say.



1 Cor 10 (ESV)
14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.


1 Cor 10:15 (NIV)
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.


1 Cor 10:15 (KJV)
14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.



What do you use when you make an assessment, or when you judge or weigh or understand something?
Isn't it.................INTELLIGENCE?


Enough said.


What Bible do you use?

 

[GIJane]

Posts #43 and #44.




Here is 1 Cor 10: 15


1 Cor 10 (NASB)
14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise people; you then, judge what I say.



1 Cor 10 (ESV)
14 Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.


1 Cor 10:15 (NIV)
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.


1 Cor 10:15 (KJV)
14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.



What do you use when you make an assessment, or when you judge or weigh or understand something?
Isn't it.................INTELLIGENCE?


Enough said.


What Bible do you use?

There is a difference between intelligence and blind faith. They are not mutually exclusive. One can be very intelligent and still believe in the Bible (by Faith) without trying to apply science to something that isn't scientifically explainable.. By Faith, it simply ............is.

 

[tosca1]

There is a difference between intelligence and blind faith. They are not mutually exclusive. One can be very intelligent and still believe in the Bible (by Faith) without trying to apply science to something that isn't scientifically explainable.. By Faith, it simply ............is.

You're missing my point.

There is no blind faith when it comes to Christianity.
How can it be...........when we are instructed by God to DISCERN?



We have MANY basis for our belief (though you might not agree with them).
Read the full OP here:

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Thread 'THE EVIDENCES FOR GOD'

Jun 8, 2023

Contrary to what some keep insisting, that there is no evidence.............................. there are actually many evidences for GOD.
And all these evidences corroborate with one another - strengthening what is already partly established - to form a powerful presentation of an undeniable evidence for God.



Let's all be reminded too, that science has not ruled out GOD.
In fact, science acknowledges RELIGIOUS EXPERIENCE.


The National Academy of Sciences also says

Science is not the only way of acquiring knowledge about...

• tosca1
• Replies: 679
• Forum: Beliefs and Skepticism

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Now that you know the many basis for Christianity - please enlighten me about your belief:


WHERE DO YOU BASE YOUR ATHEISM?


Since science has not ruled out the possibility of GOD/god -

which means you're going against science when you claim with certainty there is no GOD -

the onus is now on you to support your claim.




What is your basis for it?

 

[tosca1]

This is almost laughable. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God. Read 1 Corinthians 10-15. It is man’s wisdom
That is built on logic, rational thinking, intelligence, and science. The Beatitudes are without logic as is turning the cheek. Are you implying that Christians have higher intelligence because God gave them intelligence ?

Btw, I just got to Proverbs 23 today, and I thought of past verses from Proverbs.........................and of your misguided opinion.
I don't know where you're getting your ideas.


First of all......wisdom is most valued. That's how the Book of Proverbs start.
Proverbs is steeped in instructions on wisdom.



Proverbs 1

Purpose and Theme​

1 The proverbs of Solomon son of David, king of Israel:

2 for gaining wisdom and instruction;
for understanding words of insight;



Proverbs 1
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.


Ecclesiastes 7:12
For the protection of wisdom is like the protection of money, and the advantage of knowledge is that wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!

Job 28:28
And he said to man, ‘Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.’”


What I read and stood out to me today:


Proverbs 23

23 Buy truth, and do not sell it;
buy wisdom, instruction, and understanding.
24 The father of the righteous will greatly rejoice;
he who fathers a wise son will be glad in him.
25Let your father and mother be glad;
let her who bore you rejoice.




Even the New Testament talks about it. Here are some:


James 1:5-6
If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.
But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.


James 3:17
But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.




Matthew 7:24
“Everyone then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock.


Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.




1 Cor 1:30
And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,


Col 3:16
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.

 

[tosca1]

The Beatitudes are without logic as is turning the cheek.

The Beatitudes is full of logic..................from a disciple of Christ' perspective.
If one is not a follower of Christ, or doesn't believe in Christ - of course, the Beatitudes may even sound silly to him.
That includes turning the other cheek (which means insults).
Knowing and choosing what battles are worth fighting for, is only logical. No?

Are you implying that Christians have higher intelligence because God gave them intelligence ?

If the wisdom of the Christian comes from God................of course it's higher than from those who don't have it.


Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.