Fbi now releasing documents about bill clinton and marc rich[W:314]

[Cardinal]

With the election just a week away, the FBI has released a tranche of 15-year-old documents dealing with Bill Clinton’s pardon of a fugitive financier—a move that the bureau made without explanation and that only adds to the confusion surrounding its controversial role in the presidential contest.


While they offer some tantalizing tidbits, the documents are heavily redacted and they don’t seem to offer any substantial new information about the criminal inquiry launched by the U.S.

Comey is “acting like he’s trying to throw the election,” says Steve Ryan, a prosecutor in Ronald Reagan's Justice Department who worked on organized crime, referring to the FBI director’s “trifecta”—comments about the Hillary Clinton email probe over the summer; his letter last week announcing new evidence related to that case; and now this out-of-the-blue FBI document dump.


“It looks worse and worse each day. He’s out of his swim lane.… There’s no precedent for this. I think it’s the most troubling thing I’ve seen out of law enforcement,” he adds. Ryan notes that he is a Hillary Clinton donor, but a number of Republicans have criticized Comey as well, including Larry Thompson, the deputy attorney general under President George W. Bush.

FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election. And if Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act (which I consider unlikely at this point), he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

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FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election.

If Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act, he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

Just saw a report about this.

According to the FBI, the release of these documents are in accordance with a FOIA request for the information.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

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FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election. And if Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act (which I consider unlikely at this point), he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

So....does that mean that Hillary is still completely without fault, and the halo around her head still glows with pure wonderfulness? Every..single..scandal is now rendered moot, not because they may or may not be factual, but simply because you don't like this guy?

Wow. The Hillary white-knighting is getting really thick this week.

 

[Cardinal]

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Just saw a report about this.

According to the FBI, the release of these documents are in accordance with a FOIA request for the information.

From the article:

These 15-year-old documents from the Marc Rich pardon case don’t seem to bear any relation to the current investigation. They were released on the website where the bureau makes documents available to those who have filed FOIA requests.

Adding to the weirdness of the documents was the way they were announced on Twitter. The account, @FBIRecordsVault, had been dormant for over a year. Then at 4:00 AM on Sunday, 20 new postings were announced in a single tweetstorm including one about records for Fred C. Trump, the Republican nominee's late father. On Monday, the site heralded the arrival of the Marc Rich documents, putting them under the heading of "William J. Clinton Foundation" although the connection between the foundation and the Rich pardon is unclear from an examination of the heavily redacted files.

Obviously, if you are just happy to see the Clintons (and most importantly Hillary Clinton specifically by implication) have the appearance of impropriety attached to them, then you're going to love this.

If you're an objective outsider, however, Comey's actions don't look kosher. In fact, as with Assange, Comey's actions of late look extremely personally motivated.

 

[Cardinal]

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So....does that mean that Hillary is still completely without fault, and the halo around her head still glows with pure wonderfulness? Every..single..scandal is now rendered moot, not because they may or may not be factual, but simply because you don't like this guy?

Wow. The Hillary white-knighting is getting really thick this week.

Read the article. As with the last announcement, nothing concrete, revelatory or even implicating has been released here.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Fbi now releasing documents about bill clinton and marc rich

FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election. And if Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act (which I consider unlikely at this point), he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

Just a response to an FOIA request.

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[MaggieD]

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From the article:



Obviously, if you are just happy to see the Clintons (and most importantly Hillary Clinton specifically by implication) have the appearance of impropriety attached to them, then you're going to love this.

If you're an objective outsider, however, Comey's actions don't not look kosher. In fact, as with Assange, Comey's actions of late look extremely personally motivated.

You know what they say about "don't not."

 

[Cardinal]

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Just a response to an FOIA request.

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Already brought up and addressed.

You know what they say about "don't not."

Thank you. Corrected.

 

[Napoleon]

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Just a response to an FOIA request.

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Making the documents available to the party who requested them is just a response to a FOIA request. Making public announcements on social media is something else.

 

[Jack Hays]

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Making the documents available to the party who requested them is just a response to a FOIA request. Making public announcements on social media is something else.

All responses to FOIA requests are made public.

 

[Jack Fabulous]

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From the article:



Obviously, if you are just happy to see the Clintons (and most importantly Hillary Clinton specifically by implication) have the appearance of impropriety attached to them, then you're going to love this.

If you're an objective outsider, however, Comey's actions don't look kosher. In fact, as with Assange, Comey's actions of late look extremely personally motivated.

I'm just telling you what I saw in a news report about this not more than a half hour ago. It was about a ten second bite. This is the total of what I know about this other than what you posted.

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Fbi now releasing documents about bill clinton and marc rich

From the article:



Obviously, if you are just happy to see the Clintons (and most importantly Hillary Clinton specifically by implication) have the appearance of impropriety attached to them, then you're going to love this.

If you're an objective outsider, however, Comey's actions don't look kosher. In fact, as with Assange, Comey's actions of late look extremely personally motivated.

Just routine FOIA business.

 

[Cardinal]

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All responses to FOIA requests are made public.

Are you saying the the FBI received and responded to one FOIA request in the last year?

 

[Cardinal]

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I'm just telling you what I saw in a news report about this not more than a half hour ago. It was about a ten second bite. This is the total of what I know about this other than what you posted.

And now, based on the additional information, does this seem perfectly routine to you?

 

[Jack Fabulous]

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And now, based on the additional information, does this seem perfectly routine to you?

Honestly, I don't know. I'm not at all well researched when it comes to protocol involving a FOIA request/release.

 

[Jack Hays]

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Comey's actions of late look extremely personally motivated.

[h=3]James Comey did the right thing[/h]
The common refrain that his action was “contrary” to Justice Department policy is absurd.

• William Barr
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[JumpinJack]

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FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election. And if Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act (which I consider unlikely at this point), he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

What's going on here? WTH? It makes no sense.

 

[Jack Hays]

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Are you saying the the FBI received and responded to one FOIA request in the last year?

I have no idea when they received it. That doesn't matter.

 

[Cardinal]

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Honestly, I don't know. I'm not at all well researched when it comes to protocol involving a FOIA request/release.

You wouldn't have to, though if you want you can read up on it here. https://www.fbi.gov/services/records-management/foipa

Does the method of announcing the release of the documents seem odd to you?

 

[JumpinJack]

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[h=3]James Comey did the right thing[/h]
The common refrain that his action was “contrary” to Justice Department policy is absurd.

The Post misses the point entirely. It seems that Comey MAY have sent the letter on the off chance that some emails one of his staff told him about MAY be relevant to the closed investigation...after he thought about it for several weeks.

The issue is not whether Comey should have notified Congress of a probe, the issue is the timing.

I've read that the FBI had those emails weeks ago.

I've read that Comey doesn't know if those emails are pertinent or significant to the closed investigation.

I've read that Comey may not have even read those emails himself.

So the letter he did was vague, and the timing is outrageous, IF he waited weeks before sending the letter and IF the emails aren't significant to the investigation. Are we talking about HRC intentionally sending Weiner classified information? (Ha...didn't happen) Or are we talking about her assistant merely mentioning HRC in an email to her husband?

If he did wait weeks, he has some 'splainin' to do. If he hadn't read the emails himself, he has some 'splainin' to do. If the emails aren't pertinent to the investigation, he has even more 'splainin' to do.

However, if he personally read the emails and determined they were relevant (the letter says they may not be pertinent or significant), and if he rec'd them the day before the letter, then I would agree that he did the right thing. As of this time, that does not seem to be the case.

On the flip side, why would he be investigating Trump and his team for connections with Russia and not send a CYA letter on THAT? How wrong it would be for Trump to be elected, only to find after the fact that Trump and his team were involved in Russia's cyberhacking of Americans.

Swords are supposed to cut both ways.

 

[Cardinal]

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What's going on here? WTH? It makes no sense.

At first I called Comey's announcement last Friday "highly irresponsible." I feel very confident now saying that he's specifically trying to influence the election or that this is a highly personal grudge against Clinton herself. That he is willing to risk his reputation as well as the possibility that he's breaking Federal laws is particularly astonishing.

I have no idea when they received it. That doesn't matter.

You would have an idea if you read the article or anything tangentially related to it. Since you're unwilling to educate yourself on anything your participation here is tantamount to spamming.

 

[Jack Hays]

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The Post misses the point. The issue is not whether Comey should have notified Congress of a probe, the issue is the timing.

I've read that the FBI had those emails (which Comey refers to in his leter) weeks ago.

I've read that Comey doesn't know if those emails are pertinent to the closed investigation.

So the letter he did was necessarily vague (one story I read said that Comey hadn't even seen the emails he referred to in his letter), and the timing is outrageous, IF he waited weeks before sending the letter.

If he did wait weeks, he has some 'splainin' to do. If he hadn't read the emails himself, he has some 'splainin' to do. If the emails aren't pertinent to the investigation, he has even more 'splainin' to do.

The Post misses the point entirely. It seems that Comey MAY have sent the letter on the off chance that some emails one of his staff told him about MAY be relevant to the closed investigation...after he thought about it for several weeks.

However, if he personally read the emails and determined they were relevant (the letter says they may not be pertinent or significant), and if he rec'd them the day before the letter, then I would agree that he did the right thing. As of this time, that does not seem to be the case.

On the flip side, why would he be investigating Trump and his team for connections with Russia and not send a CYA letter on THAT? How wrong it would be for Trump to be elected, only to find after the fact that Trump and his team were involved in Russia's cyberhacking of Americans.

Swords are supposed to cut both ways.

FBI agents had the material weeks ago. They did not brief Comey until last week.

 

[reinoe]

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FBI Now Releasing Documents About Bill Clinton and Marc Rich

First Comey publicly announces that the FBI is looking into more emails without establishing that any of them are significant or imply anything negative about Clinton herself. Now this, and seemingly apropos of nothing at all. It's time to consider the very real possibility that Comey is using the authority of his office to influence the election. And if Comey isn't breaking the Hatch Act (which I consider unlikely at this point), he certainly is probing the borders of it as closely as possible.

If Comey wanted to influence this election he would have recommended charges against Hillary Clinton because she is obviously guilty.

 

[Redbeard]

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FBI agents had the material weeks ago. They did not brief Comey until last week.

Then had to go to L Lynch to secure warrants to read those emails as all they had was the megadata (headers).

 

[Jack Hays]

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You would have an idea if you read the article or anything tangentially related to it. Since you're unwilling to educate yourself on anything your participation here is tantamount to spamming.

The article I posted does not include that information. As I said earlier, it doesn't matter. Here's an excerpt from my link at #16.

The claim that Comey’s actions violated a Justice Department policy is just wrong. There is no policy — and never has been — that the department avoid any action that could affect an election. Rather, the policy has been twofold. First, prosecutors should not take any action for partisan reasons, i.e., for the purpose of affecting an election. Second, where the timing of an otherwise bona fide investigative or prosecutive step could affect the outcome of an election, those actions should be deferred absent a strong public interest that justifies taking the action before the election. Sometimes this requires difficult judgments. Here, it did not. Indeed, if anything would have “violated” Justice Department policy, it would have been to remain mute and fail to correct the record.
Finally, it must be remembered that this whole situation could have been avoided if those in the Clinton camp had provided all pertinent information to the FBI to begin with. They were looking for early resolution of the matter, and it was in their interest to be as thorough as possible in supplying information to the government. Whether through an innocent oversight or not, they failed to do this. To the extent the timing of Comey’s correction of the record is difficult for Clinton, it is a self-inflicted wound.