I do not think many people say that CO2 does not have IR absorption bands, it does!Try to cover up your lies and deception with more lies and deception. FROM YOUR LINK, These are the gases that absorb light, both infrared and visible.
Main atmospheric gases absorbing/emitting in the IR: CO2, H2O, O3, CH4, N2O, CFCs.
And that is why CO2, the gas that is a relatively small component of air, effects the climate, just as your link, which was submitted as Denial, supports.
I do not think many people say that CO2 does not have IR absorption bands, it does!
4.3 um, 9.6 um, 10.6 um, and 15 um, of those only 15 um is not also absorbed by other much more common
atmospheric components. Ether way while CO2 at ground state can absorb 15 um photons, is mostly
does not re emit them, but rather passes of the energy through contact, and microwaves.
The only real requirement is that the energy in and the energy out must equal.
There is also a saturation factor, where CO2 is not at ground state and the photon passes on by.
Studies show that most of the 15 um emissions are absorbed within the first 100 meters.
R. Philipona, B. Du¨rr, and C. Marty et al 2003
"Greenhouse effect and altitude gradients over
the Alps – by surface longwave radiation
measurements and model calculated LOR"
Simply showing that is some cases CO2 can absorb 15um photons, does not validate the concept of AGW.
The forcing warming from added CO2 could be only 36% of the predicted ECS, id the IPCC predictions are to be believed.
Try to cover up your lies and deception with more lies and deception. FROM YOUR LINK, These are the gases that absorb light, both infrared and visible.
Main atmospheric gases absorbing/emitting in the IR: CO2, H2O, O3, CH4, N2O, CFCs.
And that is why CO2, the gas that is a relatively small component of air, effects the climate, just as your link, which was submitted as Denial, supports.
So, you're claiming those six bands are outside of visible and IR?
OK...
LOL...
I accept your surrender!I think you have a ways to go, before you get your phD in Climatology. I am not a Climatologist and I am not going attempt to critique your analysis. I suggest you voice your concerns to the IPCC. That is, unless you think they are all in a conspiracy, and will give you a false answer.
I accept your surrender!
I'm going to tell you the same thing I told Longfellow. You are in way over your head. You copied and pasted data from an advanced scientific Georgia Tech article, not knowing anything about the subject, and obviously taking it out of context. In the same section of your table, this was stated directly above it:
Absorption of visible and near IR radiation in the gaseous atmosphere is primarily
due to H2O, O3, and CO2.
You and I are not phD scientists. This article was probably a phD's thesis. As it turns out, your original blasting of Scientific American was totally unwarranted.
No, yours is an appeal to authority, because you are unable to argue the point I have made.Because of your gibberish. Hardly. I merely suggested that you take it to the IPCC. They will set your uneducated a** straight.
Because of your gibberish. Hardly. I merely suggested that you take it to the IPCC. They will set your uneducated a** straight.
Back to the same three uneducated deniers on these threads. Many of us have more scientific education than any of the three of you. The difference is that, when people are educated in the sciences, they tend to say, "I don't know" more readily. They realize that others are highly educated in their scientific field, and they submit to that education. Just like I don't expect a Climatologist to tell me how to automate an Electrical Engineered Control System, I am not going to tell a Climatologist how to analyze the effects of Greenhouse Gases. Many of these experts have studied Climatology for 30 or 40 years. You are nothing but a speck on the surface of their knowledge.
• EvapotranspirationI say "I don't know" very frequently. The problem is here, I do know what I speak of.
Can you point to a specific instance I don't?
Back to the same three uneducated deniers on these threads. Many of us have more scientific education than any of the three of you. The difference is that, when people are educated in the sciences, they tend to say, "I don't know" more readily. They realize that others are highly educated in their scientific field, and they submit to that education. Just like I don't expect a Climatologist to tell me how to automate an Electrical Engineered Control System, I am not going to tell a Climatologist how to analyze the effects of Greenhouse Gases. Many of these experts have studied Climatology for 30 or 40 years. You are nothing but a speck on the surface of their knowledge.
• Evapotranspiration
• Ocean acidification
• How feedback loops work in climate science
• How global temperature averages work
• How adjustments are made for urban heat effects
• That CH4 is (in our current environment) a more potent GHG than CO2
That's just off the top of my head.
I have, at least once, on each of those points. I see little need to relitigate all the things you get wrong in this thread.Yes, and I am right about every one of my claims regarding them.
Can you prove me wrong, on the things I said regarding them?
I have, at least once, on each of those points. I see little need to relitigate all the things you get wrong in this thread.
No, yours is an appeal to authority, because you are unable to argue the point I have made.
Do you have any understanding of an scientific field?
If which, and to what depth?
Or, a sign that you are unable to discuss the topic on your own.An argument to authority is absolutely appropriate when discussing complex technical topics.
Do you have any understanding of an scientific field?
If which, and to what depth?
Or, a sign that you are unable to discuss the topic on your own.
Yes, and I am right about every one of my claims regarding them.
Can you prove me wrong, on the things I said regarding them?
If a medical doctor gave you what sounded like an unreasonable diagnosis, would you question itSeen any doctors lately?
"The climate is warming, due to human activity" is a reasonable claim, and is backed by an avalanche of evidence. So, there's that.If a medical doctor gave you what sounded like an unreasonable diagnosis, would you question it
within the limits of your own knowledge, at least to the point of getting a second opinion?
"The climate is warming, due to human activity" is a reasonable claim, and is backed by an avalanche of evidence. So, there's that.
So. Let's say my doctor tells me "you have lung cancer," even though I never smoked cigarettes, did not have much exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke, and was otherwise at low risk. I'd go to a specialist anyway, due to the severity of the disease, so let's count that as our 2nd opinion.
If the 2nd doctor gave me the same answer as the first, I'd basically be convinced.
If the 3rd doctor gave me the same answer as the first two, I'd be completely convinced.
If the 4th doctor gives me the same answer, I'm obviously just in denial, and doctor-shopping.
If 90 doctors all agreed, and the 91st doctor who disagreed was a quack who was in the pay of RJ Reynolds, should I believe him?
And yes, that is the current situation. No matter how badly you want to deny it, there is a solid scientific consensus that human activity is the dominant cause of climate change at this time.
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