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F-55 Twin-Engined F-35 Variant

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Phys251 said:
If these things get in service, hopefully they can go to Ukraine by the time tRump is out of the White House. ;)
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Trump likes shiny objects, but I doubt this will make a lot of sense. This would require a very serious redesign of the F-35, with probably at most 50 percent of it having anything in common with the F-35. Moreover, it does not appear to make any major improvements in stealth, which is the F22's great advantage. And dogfights, as we once knew them, are secondary to BVR engagements and stealth capabilities.

Sadly, the Obama administration was rather short-sighted in ending the F22 program prematurely and reckless (almost hostile) by destroying all the tooling developed for the F22 so that none could be restarted.

The planned upgrades to the F22 make a bit more sense, and the rest of the money should go to block 4 upgrades (pretty amazing stuff on its own) and sixth generation aircraft.

Trump says "I don't like single engines" because Trump likes shiny things, not because he knows crap about fighters.
 
Two engines? Why? It's such a massive change you might as well redesign the whole plane from scratch.
 
dmpi said:
Two engines? Why? It's such a massive change you might as well redesign the whole plane from scratch.
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Yeah.
The F-35 is already well powered with a single engine, adding another would make it overpowered, would be my guess.
Me thinks the air frame would have to be redesigned to handle that additional power.
 
maxparrish said:
Trump likes shiny objects, but I doubt this will make a lot of sense. This would require a very serious redesign of the F-35, with probably at most 50 percent of it having anything in common with the F-35. Moreover, it does not appear to make any major improvements in stealth, which is the F22's great advantage. And dogfights, as we once knew them, are secondary to BVR engagements and stealth capabilities.

Sadly, the Obama administration was rather short-sighted in ending the F22 program prematurely and reckless (almost hostile) by destroying all the tooling developed for the F22 so that none could be restarted.

The planned upgrades to the F22 make a bit more sense, and the rest of the money should go to block 4 upgrades (pretty amazing stuff on its own) and sixth generation aircraft.

Trump says "I don't like single engines" because Trump likes shiny things, not because he knows crap about fighters.
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I doubt Obama had the tooling destroyed.
 
maxparrish said:
The video says the tooling was intentionally destroyed; however, after your comment I have checked and apparently, this isn't so.
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There are a lot of sources or video channels that include partial truths mixed with lies for views.

Military channels especially do that. 1945 is full of sensationalism to get views.

My general rule of thumb is if something makes me upset I confirm with secondary and independent source
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah.
The F-35 is already well powered with a single engine, adding another would make it overpowered, would be my guess.
Me thinks the air frame would have to be redesigned to handle that additional power.
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Well, Lockheed lost out on the new fighter bids and so started advocating for a "Ferrari" version of the F35, claiming it could deliver 80 percent of the capability of a 6th generation fighter at half the cost.

Trump is enamored with what sounds cool and I guess they are proceeding to do more likely build an F35 with 50 percent of the capability of a 6th generation fighter at 150 percent of the cost.

Particularly crazy in that the Pentagon recently decided to not upgrade to an adaptive recycling engine which would have increased performance 10 to 30 percent because of THE COST.
 
The F35 will not be modified to have two engines


The airframe was not designed for it, they could take much of the F35 and put it into a new airframe to cut development times, but I doubt that will occur as they are trying to develop the F47 and the navy had its own gen 6 plane it is trying to develop
 
single engine fighters have some advantages which is why the f-16 and f-35 were single engines. Trump just had a “dual engines look nice” thought….
 
bomberfox said:
single engine fighters have some advantages which is why the f-16 and f-35 were single engines. Trump just had a “dual engines look nice” thought….
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Typically cheaper, lighter and easier to maintain

The US navy and Canada Typically liked twin engine jets for safety reasons considering the large and remote distances they operate in
 
maxparrish said:
Trump likes shiny objects, but I doubt this will make a lot of sense. This would require a very serious redesign of the F-35, with probably at most 50 percent of it having anything in common with the F-35. Moreover, it does not appear to make any major improvements in stealth, which is the F22's great advantage. And dogfights, as we once knew them, are secondary to BVR engagements and stealth capabilities.

Sadly, the Obama administration was rather short-sighted in ending the F22 program prematurely and reckless (almost hostile) by destroying all the tooling developed for the F22 so that none could be restarted.

The planned upgrades to the F22 make a bit more sense, and the rest of the money should go to block 4 upgrades (pretty amazing stuff on its own) and sixth generation aircraft.

Trump says "I don't like single engines" because Trump likes shiny things, not because he knows crap about fighters.
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The same thing was done to the F14...no more can be produced because the tools to make the wing box's have been destroyed; additionally, all museum and display F14's have had their wing boxes removed and destroyed to prevent Iran or any other third party from being able to recover any parts for their aging fleet
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah.
The F-35 is already well powered with a single engine, adding another would make it overpowered, would be my guess.
Me thinks the air frame would have to be redesigned to handle that additional power.
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One thing an additional engine could do is increase the amount of ordnance the plane can carry, but the question is would a complete redesign be worth it?

I doubt it.
 
BitterPill said:
One thing an additional engine could do is increase the amount of ordnance the plane can carry, but the question is would a complete redesign be worth it?

I doubt it.
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Given that there's the F-15EX and the F-35's beast mode (external ordnance), which might be cheaper means to get to the higher ordnance loads.
 
 
 
maxparrish said:
The video says the tooling was intentionally destroyed; however, after your comment I have checked and apparently, this isn't so.
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They were mothballed, not destroyed. The same with the Clinton Administration with the Tomahawk missile. At the start he thought the military had enough so ordered production shut down.

Which he ordered restarted once he found out how useful they were. Ultimately he ordered over 600 of them launched during his administration.
 
Oozlefinch said:
They were mothballed, not destroyed.
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  • Total non-recurring start-up costs over a five year period totaling $9.869 billion in 2016 dollars, equal to more than $10 billion in 2018 dollars at the time of writing.
  • This included approximately $228 million to refurbish production tooling

www.twz.com

Here’s The F-22 Production Restart Study The USAF Has Kept Secret For Over A Year

We finally see the study that was oddly classified on arrival and it has new relevance based on Japan's desire for a new stealth fighter.
www.twz.com www.twz.com

So yeah, refurbishing/repairing of the tooling is a comparative minor cost.
 
Oozlefinch said:
They were mothballed, not destroyed. The same with the Clinton Administration with the Tomahawk missile. At the start he thought the military had enough so ordered production shut down.

Which he ordered restarted once he found out how useful they were. Ultimately he ordered over 600 of them launched during his administration.
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And the rockets red glare.............
 
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