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Extreme Criminals Rights.........

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Ok, I really don't want to get into another death penalty argument. But I put it in this section since it has to do with our jail system, and prisoners that may or may not be on death row.

I was watching one of those specials on the National Geographic Channel about the Aryan Brotherhood last night. They discussed at length how the leaders of the AB were able to pass coded messages to other members and order hits from 1500 miles away, how they can traffic drugs inside the prison cells, and the multi-million dollar business they run. All from inside the prison walls, and from inside super-max security prisons. And unlike other gangs, which sprung up from outside the prison system, and found their way into it, the AB actually came to a life of its own inside the prison walls.
I also remember watching a similar special on the MS-13 gang, which had similar tactics.

My question is, is why are we allowing these prison inmates(no matter their affiliation), who are known leaders of these gangs and have proven ingeniuos enough to place orders and make millions of dollars from inside prison, to have any contact with anybody outside of their cell? Its obvious that even with a "Get well soon" card, they can effectivley remain in control and in power over their gangs. Why are we allowing these extreme criminals to have continued contact with anybody at all?? They should be executed IMO, but they aren't and somehow we feel the need to let them have some kind of rights, despite the extreme level of crime they are continuously involved in. Why???
 

Well...here it is in short form : Say you remove them from gen pop. They'll end up paying guards(which they already do) to pass messages.

You can't really stop crime 100%. Just hope you've done enough to prevent it.
 
Well...here it is in short form : Say you remove them from gen pop. They'll end up paying guards(which they already do) to pass messages.

You can't really stop crime 100%. Just hope you've done enough to prevent it.

We need robot guards that cannot be corrupted....There it is, my million dollar idea. You in Hatuey???
 
The answer is simple, kill them. They got the death penalty, so kill them already.

The foolishniess in our country is out of control.

Conjugal visits? Are you kidding me? They were sent to prison for a reason.
The right to get married? That is completely out of whack, why have a penal system at all?

Seems to me that these "folks" actually have it better inside than they do outside. They have housing, three squares a day, cable, weight rooms, workshops, church, classrooms, computers, commisary, visitation, health care, dental and a mail system.

I'm sorry to go off topic here, but the death penalty and our prison system are touchy subjects to me.

I live in Florida, they use trailers in some school districts because its cheaper
than building a traditional school. Yet we build "state of the art" facilities to house criminals.

Shows me the priorities we have in our society today.
 
From all anecdotal evidence, many of these messages are checked and a few do get through. Depending on the prison, rooms are often searched to find weapons and other contraband. However, as Hatuey brought up, guards can be bribed. Moreover, these individuals tend to be semi-creative and they have a large amount of free time (they spend most of the day in the cell and have little else to do). Suffice it to say that even if you killed one of these members the mechanisms they used to initiate business would still be in place. I would contend that most gang members in prisons aren't making millions of dollars; a few of the top members may be, the majority of members are not.
 
Seems to me that these "folks" actually have it better inside than they do outside. They have housing, three squares a day, cable, weight rooms, workshops, church, classrooms, computers, commisary, visitation, health care, dental and a mail system.

As much as many people believe they have it made, you know this is not the case. The reason they have such "luxuries" is because without them, imagine what a bunch of criminals would do to entertain themselves. It makes the job of a prison guard less intense. I have a 6 month old doberman, when she goes to sleep i put the tv on, give her a few bones, and let her out/exercise before she sleeps. That is because if i dont she will terrorize and destroy anything in her site.



I live in Florida, they use trailers in some school districts because its cheaper
than building a traditional school. Yet we build "state of the art" facilities to house criminals.

Shows me the priorities we have in our society today.

Which goes to show what a joke our legal system is. They let off murderers, put people who destroy peoples lives economically (enron) in day care, and arrest and detain people who commit victimless crimes. I say victimless because these crimes have no victim, only an offense against the state.

Your absolutely right. Where do we get our values from??? Special interests maybe?
 
Conjugal visits? Are you kidding me?

Ironic, isn't it, that a confessed serial killer like Ted Bundy had the "right" to marry, enjoy conjugal visits at taxpayer expense, and even father a child, all from inside prison walls... yet fine upstanding lesbian couples who are holding down professional jobs and raising children together are deemed by the State to be undeserving of this "right"?
 

Excellent point. All this goes back to what Golden said. It has been statistically proven that giving inmates certain privileges lowers the chances that they are going to become disruptive. It's very expensive to run a detention facility, I know...my department has one of the biggest in our area. I remember when we used to rule with absolute force and authority. We fought a lot. It got expensive...guards were getting hurt, inmates were getting hurt. Medical costs were killing us, property was getting destroyed...but hey we were still in control right? It may not seem very fair, but when you are faced with controlling 200 inmates with four or five guards, the less prone to violent behavior they are the better.

This is a reality of the corrections environment. And as was already pointed out, money does strange things to people. Prison guards are simply people like you and I who put on a uniform and go to work. They don't get paid that well, and when someone offers them 500 a week extra to pass notes and smuggle contraband guess what...it's gonna happen.
 
Seems to me that these "folks" actually have it better inside than they do outside. They have housing, three squares a day, cable, weight rooms, workshops, church, classrooms, computers, commisary, visitation, health care, dental and a mail system.

I volunteered teaching reading at a prison for several years.

You have a very exaggerated view of the comforts of medium/maximum security prisons (where violent offenders are housed).

The prison I worked in had no cable, no weight room, no computers ... and the commissary was where the inmates could purchase lavish extravagances like toilet paper (inmates are given one roll a week - after that, it's the Sears catalog), toothpaste (prisons give you a toothbrush, not toothpaste), soap, kleenex, etc.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not suggesting that they have it better - they did whatever they did and are being punished. But, because once in a while there will be a story about some prison having some kind of luxury, the public thinks these med/max prisons are like country clubs.

It jest ain't so!
 

I agree.

I have worked in a couple of Nothern California Prisons and Juvenile Detention Facilities and not one of them had anything that even remotely resembled a luxury...

These places were cold and hard and devoid of personality and comfort.
 
I agree.

I have worked in a couple of Nothern California Prisons and Juvenile Detention Facilities and not one of them had anything that even remotely resembled a luxury...

These places were cold and hard and devoid of personality and comfort.

Good.
Thats how they should be.
 
Word.

I felt the scum that were within those walls were getting what they deserved. Not much.

I am sure that you have se such places Caine...24/7 lockdowns and such. That is were I worked and those guys didn't have anything. The guards didn't take crap. The inmates couldn't talk to anybody. IF they bothered me in the slightest it was into solitary... I am not sure where these "luxary" prisons are, but I haven't seen one.
 
I think there is a misconception about what people perceive prison life to be like vs. what a LEO/prison guard would consider an inmate luxury. Cigarettes, magazines, physical fitness equipment, cable TV in inmate day rooms. Those are the privileges that some prisons give their inmates in order to help keep the rowdiness down. Those privileges are commonly found in jails and prisons all across the U.S. Conjugal visits are another I suppose. So I suppose I wouldn't call those luxuries per se.
 
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