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EXPERT: Screen time ruins youth mental health

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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/

Course it could be that the socially ill spend more time with tech to avoid spending time with people or maybe the smartest ones put down the tech and grab a book, but I sure want to know more.

Social-networking sites like Facebook promise to connect us to friends. But the portrait of iGen teens emerging from the data is one of a lonely, dislocated generation.

Sadly this sounds right. I have long claimed that we have completely bungled parenting, this study and the rapidly declining mental health of University students not to mention their intolerance and lack of dedication to the truth all point in the sad direction.
 
One question: what the hell is a necking spot?

As for modern teens not getting enough time in with friends, I can fully attest that this is an issue. I'd say I'm a fairly social person, but I can't say the same of a lot of people my age. Even at college, a lot of people would just shut themselves up in their rooms for much of their free time.
 
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Used to be a place where a guy and a gal could be alone to kiss+pet sometimes even for full on sex. Cars were popular but youth today get driven by parents, they dont drive so thats out. Houses worked sometimes but who anymore knows if the parents are spying on them with technology. Actually cars were sometimes driven to "necking spots", secluded places where like minded couples did what they did, sometimes more than one couple at a time. The location of the Lacey Wa Walmart on Galaxy Dr I am told was for decades such a place.

Did you read the Atlantic Piece? Did you see any big errors?
 

The Atlantic is usually pretty solid. I didn't see anything that immediately jumped out to me as inaccurate. I will say, though, that I certainly grew up with far less internet access than most members of my generation, and that this forum is about as much social media as I use, but I still match up with the averages for my generation in terms of technology. Can't say what that might mean for these findings. :shrug:
 

Times a week 12th graders leave the house without parents 2.3.....What? This does not compute, Course my family was a bit touched and I had a car and I was working but by 12th grade I had to do family dinner when I could manage but otherwise I rarely even saw my parents...I was gone most of the time, I had a life, and this was common in 1979/80.
 
End of Review:

Are Smartphones Destroying a Generation, or Are Consultants?
By Malcolm Harris


Jean M. Twenge?s ?iGen? Review

Now thats a level of dismissal I take note of!


EDIT: Interesting:
https://usefulstooges.com/2016/05/26/who-is-malcolm-harris/
 
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Another dismissive review:

https://www.thenational.ae/arts-cul...-a-part-of-the-smartphone-generation-1.622251

This is fascinating.....when people speak truth that is not wanted this is what the rejection looks like.
 
A very positive review by a better reviewer:

An Aversion to Adulting
The generation after the millennials loves smartphones, avoids books, craves safety and doesn’t tolerate intolerance.

By Christine Rosen
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-aversion-to-adulting-1503528583
Christine Rosen is a senior editor of The New Atlantis, where she writes about the social and cultural impact of technology, as well as bioethics and the history of genetics. As a Future Tense Fellow at the New America Foundation, she is working on her forthcoming book The Extinction of Experience, to be published by W. W. Norton in 2016.
Christine Rosen - The New Atlantis

Scary as Hell:
 
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This all sounds accurate to me, and is supported by other research I've seen, but I don't think tech alone is the reason. Not all countries with similar amounts of tech are having this problem to the same degree.

Partly, it's that this gen hasn't been as well-socialized to begin with. So, when they get older, it's understandable they are averse to social risk and choose screens instead.

Children are getting less quality social time than they used to, both from teachers and from family units. I'm sure our older members will remember heading out up the street on their bikes as young kids, but that too is quickly becoming a thing of the past, not just because of tech, but because parents don't allow it. That was starting to happen even when I was a kid, when cell phones and internet barely existed in the average home, because the parents don't let their kids do things independently as much as they used to.

Kids the last couple generations have less social confidence not just due to the ubiquity of online life, but also because they weren't permitted to spend their early years learning how to act socially independently, make mistakes, and pick themselves up again.

I won't necessarily say the good old days were flat-out better. Bullying was also a lot more common back then, and I know plenty of 30+ people with some serious mental scars from incidents I find appalling that I don't see happening as much in people younger than me.

But the social development of today's teenagers has its own problems, certainly.
 

I am really disappointed this thread did not get interest, as both the parenting and the tech intrusion into our lives angles are hugely important and interesting topics for sure, and if the trends continue also this obsession with safety and aversion to the free flow of ideas.

Ya, so they think they are easily breakable because they have never found their strength and so if they dont wise up they will be incredibly easy to push around, motivated by their betters by fear that is placed there to drive them where their herders want them to go.


I did not know how bad the socialization was till a couple of years ago I found that I needed to teach employees how to talk on the phone, something that my generation learned by age 8, in my house earlier because we got lessons....literally they were not able to conduct a 1 minute simple phone conversation without sounding like a new to America immigrant, did not know what to say, all they knew was a sort of text speak they use with their friends.
 

Yeah, and I can sort of understand why today's parents are like that. As I said, barbarity in schools used to be more common than it is now, not to mention that we live in generally paranoid times.

I think there's a balance here. It'd be better if we just put more emphasis on pro-social behavior to prevent cruelty, rather than just secluding kids from independent social interaction.

But a lot of today's parents who think their kids are so fragile struggle with that, because it requires them to say no sometimes and teach their kids that while they are important and loved, they are not the only person in the family -- everyone deserves consideration.

It's made doubly hard by a lack of individual attention that comes from our very large class sizes. When I was in elementary, my class size was usually around 15, which made it a lot easier for teachers to manage. When I switched districts for 5th grade and up, the class sizes nearly doubled, and there were a lot more problems.

Today's teens are a weird mix of things. They are studious and motivated, but at the same time inept at more mundane things like self- and home-care. They are generally kind-hearted, but struggle to relate to others in real life.

They are not lazy or mean, as is often suggested. But they are frequently not given a complete set of skills to thrive in life.
 

I would like to see the reintroduction of 'life skills' back into high school. How to cook. How to shop. How do balance a bank account. .. minor house repairs.. Basically, the 'adulting' skills.
 

Seems like you need to factor in that Freshman year at University is now fully what used to be High School work.....they do make good worker bees, all studious and polite and willing to do their chores if any be demanded but the sad fact is that one of the main problems of high School is that not enough learning gets done, not enough is asked of the students.

So you see, the failure of the generation is rather more complete than you let on, their lack of growing up and their lack of accomplishing is all across the board. ....sure it is not their fault, it is all do to how their childhoods were mismanaged, but we know that those who start out life behind tend to stay behind, and as I have already pointed out these people are almost certainly going to be easy to take advantage of for a very long time, maybe their whole lives, victim culture "compassion" and "empathy" are not going to help.

We should be noticing, we should be alarmed, but look how this person who uses data to make her case rather than relying on faith "THE KIDS ARE ALL RIGHT" and rather than anecdotal evidence gets dismissed...I linked to two reviews that shut it down, dont want to hear it, and near as I can tell the buzz off the Atlantic piece rather follows....I am still trying to look into the reaction though, and it is still forming.
 
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I don't really think that's true. Studies show the younger gens are actually the most literate generation ever. But despite their skills, they are also one of the worst-paid due to a lack of job opportunities beyond entry level.

Though it is true high school is failing our students due to focusing on testing culture rather than learning culture, younger people are taking advantage of the vast amount of free information that we have now, and using it to fill the gaps.

It's true more kids go through remedial courses, but also keep in mind more kids go to college. Those kids who weren't fully prepared used to just not go to college at all because remedial wasn't offered. Now they do, but they take remedial. I don't think more kids are unprepared for college. I think more unprepared kids are trying to go to college.
 

Did you read the part about how they rarely touch books?

This is your "most literate generation ever".....based upon what do you make that call?
 
Did you read the part about how they rarely touch books?

This is your "most literate generation ever".....based upon what do you make that call?

I rarely touch books either, and I read for hours every day -- often academic material.

Get with the times.
 
I rarely touch books either, and I read for hours every day -- often academic material.

Get with the times.

Evasion....what gives you the idea that they are either good readers or well read?

EDIT: 2015:
SAT Scores In The U.S. Are Collapsing | The Daily Caller
 
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Evasion....what gives you the idea that they are either good readers or well read?

Studies on generational literacy.

Also, the article does not say they read less. It says those that read physical books rather than using screens (to read or do whatever else) sleep better. This is because the light output of screens disrupts sleep. It says nothing about them reading fewer books (which, in physical copy, I'm sure they do, but taking all formats, that's not true at all).
 

I edited that post but I have now proven that the SAT test says you are wrong.

It's time for you to present evidence for your assessment.
 

Greetings, SmokeAndMirrors. :2wave:

:agree: Well said! You clearly explained the current situation and then hit the nail on the head with the last sentence in your post, IMHO! :thumbs: :thumbs:
 
I edited that post but I have now proven that the SAT test says you are wrong.

It's time for you to present evidence for your assessment.

Quite simply: so?

http://emorywheel.com/standardized-testing-fails-at-measuring-knowledge/
Even when test scores go up, some cognitive abilities don?t | MIT News
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...c-success-students-who-do-and-dont-submit-sat
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...sat don't measure student performance&f=false

All that says to me is that wealth is declining in the general population. What's new?

Tests like that don't accurately measure much of anything. If you think a fill-in-the-blank is an accurate measure of fluid comprehension, then I can't help you.
 

Running down my evidence is not presenting evidence....what evidence do you have that todays students are highly literate compared to previous generations? Given that we have watched the collapse of high stakes testing as a requirement for graduation because no matter what was done educators cant get the students to a place where they can pass the tests I tend to think that you dont have any because it does not exist.
 

Disproving your evidence certainly does throw out the basis of your claim. But anyway...

https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...als-are-out-reading-older-generations/379934/

Apparently I underestimated. Not only do Millenials dominate online written media, but they read more books too. I expect Gen Z will be similar.
 

Millennials are two generations off the one we are talking about (according to some) but older OK, I can groove a tad:

2013...Measuring America’s Decline, in Three Charts
https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/measuring-americas-decline-in-three-charts
 
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