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Agreed.alphieb said:Creationism is impossible to prove. It all depends on faith.
Sure.However, one can argue that science is not perfect
:spin:and evolution contains flaws.
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Originally Posted by alphieb
Creationism is impossible to prove. It all depends on faith. However, one can argue that science is not perfect and evolution contains flaws.
So which theory should we use?
ID -- no evidence.
Evolution -- vast amounts of evidence, possible flaws
When dealing with creationist it's important that you keep everything perfectly clear, because they never will.thecelt said:you creationists belived that humans lived with DINOSAURS. c'mon, humans have been around for 3 million years, dinosaurs died 65 million years ago. there isnt ONE specimin out there that says otherwise, otherwise we would have heard about it.
Merriam Webster: Creationism-Demosthenes- said:PS, is it creationist or creationalist? (I think it's creationist, not sure).
In only the last few centuries, man has changed little.Where the physical meets the mental should also be studied. Humans grew mentally, more than physically these last centuries. Evolutionary Psychology discusses some of these aspects in the evolution of man.
Ahem, you **DO** know that evolution deals ONLY with how biological life changes from one generation to the next, right? You **DO** know that it has nothing to do with the origin of the universe, Earth, or even life, right?Laternater said:Difference?
I am under the belief that if God is indeed all powerful, He has the right to create the world and universes anyway He wishes. I have learned that there is a direct relationship between the creation theory and the evolution theory. They are in direct proportian to one another. God has created us to learn and adapt to our surroundings, this the basic defination evolution. Now the formation of the world could have very well bagan with a huge exploding rock, which I believe to have been the old earth (yes, I don't believe we were the only ones created). According to the book of revelation, the earth will burn and explode. I think God has been doing this thing for a very long time trying to get the right mix. I would have given up a long time ago, but what would God do if man didn't exist.
Where does the physical & the mental meet ?CaliNORML said:The main factor I can see is the resistance of both theories to other fields in the biological chemical factors taken account in the Evolution of humans.
Where the physical meets the mental should also be studied. Humans grew mentally, more than physically these last centuries. Evolutionary Psychology discusses some of these aspects in the evolution of man.
steen said:Ahem, you **DO** know that evolution deals ONLY with how biological life changes from one generation to the next, right? You **DO** know that it has nothing to do with the origin of the universe, Earth, or even life, right?
No, you spewed nonsense claptrap, trying for a bit of dishonest sophistry. And then you throw a bit of ad hominems in there as well. :roll:Laternater said:Yes, I am aware of the biological factors associated with evolution. Do not make any mistake about my intelligence. I was simply pointing out that I believe that God has used evolution to create all things, hence we are a product of his works. This concept relates to everything that is living and all things that have died. I do appologize if you were somewhat confused by my associations. I had taken evolution and creation a step farther than your brain was able to comprehend.
Bwahaha. Nope, your claim is outright false, and a science book will confirm THAT.Everything in the universe is made of biological particals, a science book would help you out with this.
False. You apparent ignorance of what Biology is, that ignorance is astonishing.Dust, rocks, stars, moons, even the sun is a biological study of their own.
Irrelevant. That is not biology, your ignorant sophistry none withstanding. SHEESH!!!Check out some of the interesting things NASA is doing from samples which were collected and wonderful pictures that were captured.
robin said:Where does the physical & the mental meet ?
How can you separate the two since the mental is a function of the physical ?
As regards intelligent design.. Proponents of this base their argument on among other things, the apparent irreducible complexity in the rotary means of propulsion in flagellum. They say it's impossible for the thirty or so components to have come together for that purpose, becuase those components don't occur in organisms without that type of propulsion.
However scientists have shown they do occur in organisms without the rotary means of propulsion. Therefore all that was required for rotary propulsion to have evolved was for those components to have become organised into the rotary propulsion mechanism.
steen said:No, you spewed nonsense claptrap, trying for a bit of dishonest sophistry. And then you throw a bit of ad hominems in there as well. :roll:
Bwahaha. Nope, your claim is outright false, and a science book will confirm THAT.
False. You apparent ignorance of what Biology is, that ignorance is astonishing.
Irrelevant. That is not biology, your ignorant sophistry none withstanding. SHEESH!!!
Laternater said:All of this blah-blah you have just interjected means, that you obviously don't believe that at one point and time there was indeed life on other planets. I personally believe that this is a nieve way to look at science. Biology is the study of living matter. Studying dead organisms can help us understand many things about the living, such as: how volnerable living things are? how to prevent death of organisms? how can we strenthen them? we are even able to unmask and track the evolution process. Back to the scientific method for you....
No, it means that physics, chemistry, geology and astronomy are not biology.Laternater said:All of this blah-blah you have just interjected means, that you obviously don't believe that at one point and time there was indeed life on other planets.
But the sun is not a "dead organism," so you most certainly were spewing ignorant claptrap nonsense.I personally believe that this is a nieve way to look at science. Biology is the study of living matter. Studying dead organisms can help us understand many things about the living, such as: how volnerable living things are? how to prevent death of organisms? how can we strenthen them? we are even able to unmask and track the evolution process. Back to the scientific method for you....
Laternater said:Yes, I am aware of the biological factors associated with evolution.
Laternater said:Do not make any mistake about my intelligence.
Laternater said:I was simply pointing out that I believe that God has used evolution to create all things, hence we are a product of his works.
Laternater said:This concept relates to everything that is living and all things that have died.
Laternater said:I do appologize if you were somewhat confused by my associations.
Laternater said:I had taken evolution and creation a step farther than your brain was able to comprehend.
Laternater said:Everything in the universe is made of biological particals, a science book would help you out with this.
Laternater said:Dust, rocks, stars, moons, even the sun is a biological study of their own.
Laternater said:Check out some of the interesting things NASA is doing from samples which were collected and wonderful pictures that were captured.
Laternater said:All of this blah-blah you have just interjected means, that you obviously don't believe that at one point and time there was indeed life on other planets.
Laternater said:I personally believe that this is a nieve way to look at science.
Laternater said:Biology is the study of living matter.
Laternater said:Studying dead organisms can help us understand many things about the living, such as: how volnerable living things are? how to prevent death of organisms? how can we strenthen them?
Laternater said:we are even able to unmask and track the evolution process. Back to the scientific method for you....
Laternater said:It is quite obvious that my degree in astrophysics and minor in biology are quite worthless to this discussion. At no time did I mean to insult anyone. The point of this forum is discuss evolution and creation and the differences between them. I honestly believe that they can coexist in our universe. yes, universe. It is also obvious that each of you are not willing open your minds enough to consider all the ramifications of this discussion. The answers are not black and white, I wished to GOD that they were. We are working everyday to find the natural beginnings of life and if life existed on other planets. I'm not so sure why this idea is hard for many people to consider. I rule nothing out when it comes to science, because everyday I learn new things and have to adapt to new findings. Have a good hunt for the truth!
So how does your claim of a science background jive with your claim that studying the sun is biology? It seems even MORE ignorant if your background is as you claim.Laternater said:It is quite obvious that my degree in astrophysics and minor in biology are quite worthless to this discussion. At no time did I mean to insult anyone. The point of this forum is discuss evolution and creation and the differences between them. I honestly believe that they can coexist in our universe. yes, universe. It is also obvious that each of you are not willing open your minds enough to consider all the ramifications of this discussion. The answers are not black and white, I wished to GOD that they were. We are working everyday to find the natural beginnings of life and if life existed on other planets. I'm not so sure why this idea is hard for many people to consider. I rule nothing out when it comes to science, because everyday I learn new things and have to adapt to new findings. Have a good hunt for the truth!
Engimo said:If you have a minor in biology and you genuinely think that creationism is a legitimate scientific theory, you need to have your degree revoked.
Laternater said:It is quite obvious that my degree in astrophysics and minor in biology are quite worthless to this discussion. At no time did I mean to insult anyone. The point of this forum is discuss evolution and creation and the differences between them. I honestly believe that they can coexist in our universe. yes, universe. It is also obvious that each of you are not willing open your minds enough to consider all the ramifications of this discussion. The answers are not black and white, I wished to GOD that they were. We are working everyday to find the natural beginnings of life and if life existed on other planets. I'm not so sure why this idea is hard for many people to consider. I rule nothing out when it comes to science, because everyday I learn new things and have to adapt to new findings. Have a good hunt for the truth!
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