Pelicans, of course.
……- and this is Tucker. He steals wooden spoons. I hope you have a few in the house, if not we brought some with us. Can you put them somewhere for him?I only steal wooden spoons.
P.S. To justone: I forgot that you had asked for a source for my Einstein quotes from way back and just remembered while I was posting this. They come from Einstein's Eulogy to Isaac Newton in the Smithsonian Annual Report for 1927.
Originally Posted by Tucker Case said:More accurately, Einstein said that Relativity "Quantitatively... made little modification in Newton's theory, but qualitatively a deep-seated one." And that Relativity "may be conceived as an organic development of Newton's thought." .
Originally Posted by justone said:Would an evolutionist understand what does mean "Quantitatively... made little modification in Newton's theory, but qualitatively a deep-seated one."? No way.
What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow not related. Man and ape share common ancestor, evolution is known to have happened. Measured fact. .
When I move to a new neighborhood I make sure that there are no scientists among my neighbors.
I couldn't think of a better way to end this thread.
Please stop. You're killing us!
:rofl
……- and this is Tucker. He steals wooden spoons. I hope you have a few in the house, if not we brought some with us. Can you put them somewhere for him?
- Oh, don’t worry, Jim was cleaning our attick yesterday, and he found about 4 wooden spoons. He was going to put them in dumpster tomorrow. I will ask him to rinse them for Tucker.
Tucker, I apologize that I could sound somewhat mentoring in my last reply to you, it was not an intention, I was tired, was thinking about something else and just did not want to play games around.
I think you may have some self-identity problem, - atheists are not those who collect wooden spoons, - atheists are those who cannot understand 2 simple sentences whoever long you try to explain to them, those who gather in groups attracted to each other and who exhibit indecent and repulsive behavior and whose ignorance is not excusable but aggressive. Since you keep on failing these checks I am not going to call you an atheist anymore and I apologize for previous cases. I was confused by your self-identification.
Einstein exactly says that the TOR follows rules of science and is not anything exotic is not anything like evolution. Einstein exactly says that the deductions from Newton’s theory (or mathematical formulas) give positions of the planets, and allow pre-calculate other observed phenomena, and the deductions from the TOR give practically the same positions, only more accurate (exactly as it is worded in Rule IV) Thus it checks out to be valid on the day arrival, which is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.
As simple as that.
The TOR makes Newton’s theory liable to exceptions in cases of new occurrences of phenomena of movement of light and electromagnetic waves which were not observed by Newton and thus couldn’t be explained/ included in Newton’s consideration. Einstein points in the TOR that the deductions = formulas are also result of Maxwell’s observations of electromagnetism and the TOR confirms to them as it confirms to the motions of the planets in the paragraph above. Thus the TOR checks out to be valid on the day arrival, and that is totally opposite to evolution which neither checks out nor has a day of arrival.
Einstein points there are only very few things in the Theory that are “”new” and don’t have observations but only evidence behind them.
Like Newton couldn’t mention or think how the discovery of Neptune on a piece of paper will be made possible by his theory in the same way Hubble’s suggestions or Cosmology have nothing to do to the few investigations mentioned. The particular reference of Einstein to observations of the Doppler effect in the TOR is a reference to observations, and the Doppler effect caused Hubble’s suggestions, too.
Both theories are inducted by observations of phenomena, by occurrences observed and produced and reproduced in experiments. (Take their deductions, calculate – we need such an acceptation to lift the body of such a weight from the earth and transport it to the orbit. Theoretically. It will take so much time for the body then to reach the moon. Theoretically. Experiment. Confirmed. We are very close.) This is their fundamental difference from evolution which makes no such deductions and refers to no occurrences observed, which is a pure speculation. Both TOR and Newton’s theories satisfy the main task of science – they produce equations which describe the occurrences and predict the same occurrences of the same bodies in the universe. Moreover they are used for development of such useful theories as the theory of structural materials, or rocket science, astronomic calculations of a comet hitting /not hitting the earth etc; they predict and explain appearances of Cosmic events, - we pre-calculate the events. Evolution does not satisfy the main task of science it produces no equations and it has not been having any use.
It should be proven for you now that there is no blame you can put on me for spraying loads of deodorant when an evolutionist shows up in the room. It should be proven for you that there is no sense to exercise sweetness with them, - you can see I tried for you - it makes no difference.
What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow related and share and common ancestor which could be anything else but not a superman from whom we and apes has evolved.
During all existence of humanity we have conducted huge, uncounted number of most extensive experiments with species but we have never observed species evolving from a common ancestor no matter to what extremes we have gone trying to make it happen.
What I don't get is that there are people who say that it is a fact that it happens.
What I don't get is that there are people who look at apes and at humans and think we're somehow related and share and common ancestor which could be anything else but not a superman from whom we and apes has evolved.
During all existence of humanity we have conducted huge, uncounted number of most extensive experiments with species but we have never observed species evolving from a common ancestor no matter to what extremes we have gone trying to make it happen. What I don't get is that there are people who say that it is a fact that it happens. These people call themselves scientists. When I move to a new neighborhood I make sure that there are no scientists among my neighbors.
Evolution happened. If you deny evolution, then tell me where are the dinosaurs. Where were the humans? Evolution means change, it surprises me that people don't understand this. Things obviously have changed. Humans have been on this planet for only a small small fraction of its lifetime. We've seen fossil record, measured changes on a micro scale, seen the measured effects of evolution. Only the most ravenous of extremists would still deny that evolution happened at all. Sure, many dynamics are not quite known at this point; but the over all phenomenon is known to have occurred. Some people choose ignorance I guess...these people wouldn't want scientists as neighbors because why would you want someone who is smart and could maybe challenge your beliefs when you can find a bunch of sheep to live with who will just nod their heads in agreement without applying any amount of rational or logical thought to a problem. They can take field trips to that creation museum where they actually have displayed humans riding dinosaurs. Ignorance I guess is bliss.
by the same logic..then...where are there apes....and people?????
we're both still here.....
if WE evolved from apes.....why are there still apes...????
and where did the majic break come????:roll:
joe astronaut landed on the moon.....when she stepped out of the landing module....she looked down and behold....there was a rolex watch laying on the moonscape......
she picks it up....and ...damn ...its working...and the date is correct....
...she carries it back on board the mother ship...and askes captain kirk ...."where might this have come from?"....to which he replied....
"well....millions and millions of years ago there was a rock...and over millions of years...it evolved................":roll::roll::roll:
now for your daily dose of reality.....humans have been at war since the beginning of time.....
...wheres the evoloution????????:roll:
by the same logic..then...where are there apes....and people?????
we're both still here.....
if WE evolved from apes.....why are there still apes...????
and where did the majic break come????:roll:
Questions such as these are demonstrative of a basic misunderstanding of the science and processes of evolution. Generally, a species does not evolve all together, in the same way, like one big happy family. A fortuitous mutation occurs, giving one organism an advantage over the rest, allowing this organism to reproduce more than others. If this happens enough times, the new strain will not be able to reproduce with the old (non-mutated) strain, and it will be considered a new species. When a new ecological niche opens, where resources are available, a species (or multiple species) often evolves to fill this niche (as an organism that is able to take advantage of these resources will be able to reproduce more, et cetera). There is still an ecological niche for apes where they exist, resources from which they can live and reproduce, therefore, there are still apes. Humans are a branch of the Greater Apes; there are other branches.
joe astronaut landed on the moon.....when she stepped out of the landing module....she looked down and behold....there was a rolex watch laying on the moonscape......
she picks it up....and ...damn ...its working...and the date is correct....
...she carries it back on board the mother ship...and askes captain kirk ...."where might this have come from?"....to which he replied....
"well....millions and millions of years ago there was a rock...and over millions of years...it evolved................":roll::roll::roll:
now for your daily dose of reality.....humans have been at war since the beginning of time.....
...wheres the evoloution????????:roll:
joe astronaut landed on the moon.....when she stepped out of the landing module....she looked down and behold....there was a rolex watch laying on the moonscape......
she picks it up....and ...damn ...its working...and the date is correct....
...she carries it back on board the mother ship...and askes captain kirk ...."where might this have come from?"....to which he replied....
"well....millions and millions of years ago there was a rock...and over millions of years...it evolved................":roll::roll::roll:
now for your daily dose of reality.....humans have been at war since the beginning of time.....
...wheres the evoloution????????:roll:
Whatever you say you are talking to yourself, because again you are cannot understand meaning of 2 simple sentences.Yeah, fancy that.
Humans and chimps share 98.5% of their DNA.
Humans and chimps are morphologically similar.
Fossil evidence linking humans with ancient ape-like species exists.
Retrogression studies of DNA show the point of divergence between chimp and human occured roughly seven million years ago.
The oldest fossils in the hominid line are...gee, about seven million years old.
The fossil evidence shows irrefutable proof of evolution happening in all species.
But some people still have to insist that humans didn't evolve.
What's wrong with them?
You mean like making corn out of the humble teosinte? Those kinds of "experiments"?
Then again, of course, there's irrefutable evidence that species do evolve into other species.
Hyracotherium, for instance, is the parent species of ...the horse, the donkey, and the zebra. This is borne out by the fossil record, and by the fact that the three species can interbreed but produce sterile offspring.
That's because it is a fact.
That's a strange idea for some, but many people call facts facts. Many of those people call dogmatic blindness to facts simple ignorance.
joe astronaut landed on the moon.....when she stepped out of the landing module....she looked down and behold....there was a rolex watch laying on the moonscape......
she picks it up....and ...damn ...its working...and the date is correct....
...she carries it back on board the mother ship...and askes captain kirk ...."where might this have come from?"....to which he replied....
"well....millions and millions of years ago there was a rock...and over millions of years...it evolved................":roll::roll::roll:
now for your daily dose of reality.....humans have been at war since the beginning of time.....
...wheres the evoloution????????:roll:
As usual, we see the same meaningless foaming void of any logical construction. Evolution happened, believe or you are ignorant.Evolution happened. If you deny evolution, then tell me where are the dinosaurs. Where were the humans? Evolution means change, it surprises me that people don't understand this. Things obviously have changed. Humans have been on this planet for only a small small fraction of its lifetime. We've seen fossil record, measured changes on a micro scale, seen the measured effects of evolution. Only the most ravenous of extremists would still deny that evolution happened at all. Sure, many dynamics are not quite known at this point; but the over all phenomenon is known to have occurred.
Some people choose ignorance I guess...these people wouldn't want scientists as neighbors because why would you want someone who is smart and could maybe challenge your beliefs when you can find a bunch of sheep to live with who will just nod their heads in agreement without applying any amount of rational or logical thought to a problem. They can take field trips to that creation museum where they actually have displayed humans riding dinosaurs. Ignorance I guess is bliss.
The same idea – if it 2 things look similar to my eye and feelings then they have a common ancestor is entertained.
We looked into it, and whaddya know, proof; fossils, genetic records, et al.
Duke
Nice analogy. We know for a fact that watches are made by people.
And each time you decided:
if these things look similar to my eye and feelings then they have a common ancestor.
please answer the question:
Have we ever observed different species evolving from a common ancestor?
Answer: Yes or No?
I am trying again, - please answer the question:
Have we ever observed different species evolving from a common ancestor?
Answer: Yes or No?
Well, viruses do it all the time (if you count those as species).
What exactly is a "different species" aside from a series of mutations in DNA? If you accept that genes can change over a short period of time as organisms adapt to their environment, then it logically follows that there will be a LOT of changes over a LONG period of time. And that's all speciation really is...a lot of genetic changes from the original.
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