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EU considers emergency measures as gas crisis intensifies

Maximus Zeebra

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Yikes. What could the end result of this be? That Europe switches completely over to nuclear energy(eventually) and just drops all gas energy expenditures?


Personally I believe the following things are necessary.
-To stop all gas usage for private functioning and corporation and only allow gas as means of electric production.
-Make all European energy consumption electric, ban all other forms of energy eventually.
-Make up for the needed gap in electricity consumption by building new nuclear plants and higher density of renewable energy.

Whats the point of oil and gas heating, ovens and so on in homes, when its just far better, more safe and easier to have the electric variants? Thats the first thing that must go.

Im not sure. The only thing I am sure about is that we need to make all spent energy electric energy, also eventually cars and such. 100% electric is the future, its the most effective, practical and stable form of energy. We just need to work on our capabilities of storing it and such.
 
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Yikes. What could the end result of this be? That Europe switches completely over to nuclear energy(eventually) and just drops all gas energy expenditures?

Will never happen. Wind, solar and water energy surpass Nuclear, since Nuclear is not popular nor seen as safe.. or clean.

Personally I believe the following things are necessary.
-To stop all gas usage for private functioning and corporation and only allow gas as means of electric production.

Impossible in the short run. Most people in Southern Europe and I believe in Eastern Europe use gas for cooking. And speaking from personal experience, gas (natural fire) is better for cooking, and we use it now.

-Make all European energy consumption electric, ban all other forms of energy eventually.

Again impossible in the short run. It would be hugely expensive, as many electrical grids, not to mention house electrical systems would have to be upgraded.

-Make up for the needed gap in electricity consumption by building new nuclear plants and higher density of renewable energy.

You are a fan of nuclear I see.. well, that is another debate. As for renewable energy, that is already in progress. In Spain it is mandatory for all new homes (for several years now) to have solar powered water heating systems (use to be gas based in most homes). Something like 10+% of Spain's electrical output is already coming from wind and solar, and it is higher in Scandinavia. Only countries bucking the trend is the UK and Eastern European countries really.

Whats the point of oil and gas heating, ovens and so on in homes, when its just far better, more safe and easier to have the electric variants? Thats the first thing that must go.

I agree some what, but as I stated it will be hugely expensive to do it over a short term, since the electrical grid in many countries can not handle that amount of usage. Of course saving innovations and so on will help, but it still will mean that quite a number of countries will have to invest billions in expanding their electrical grids... including the UK.

Im not sure. The only thing I am sure about is that we need to make all spent energy electric energy, also eventually cars and such. 100% electric is the future, its the most effective, practical and stable form of energy. We just need to work on our capabilities of storing it and such.

yep, but we are talking 10+ years easy.
 
Will never happen. Wind, solar and water energy surpass Nuclear, since Nuclear is not popular nor seen as safe.. or clean.

I am no fan of nuclear, but right now its seems like the only short term alternative. I agree that wind, solar and wave/water/other motion energy is the best form of energy.

Impossible in the short run. Most people in Southern Europe and I believe in Eastern Europe use gas for cooking. And speaking from personal experience, gas (natural fire) is better for cooking, and we use it now.

Yes, sure gas is better, but bondfire is even better than that, that shouldnt mean we ought to use that. Besides, I think the mood in especially eastern Europe, but also the rest of Europe is changing more towards electricity and less towards gas.

Again impossible in the short run. It would be hugely expensive, as many electrical grids, not to mention house electrical systems would have to be upgraded.

Its expensive for Europe to switch to energy saving light as well, but new regulation is making it so that within a few years traditional light bulbs will become obsolete and new modern forms of light will be the norm.
I think an initiative on European level should be started to make the same thing happen for gas, to switch it over to electricity and phase out gas home/industrial products, and eventually only use gas in electricity production.
It would be expensive, but it would be progress. Doing nothing will only mean that others do it before us. Initiatives like these aimed towards the future is important, and costs shouldn't really be the most important factor. In the long run it will be cheaper.

Personally I am in favor of a lot of changes in the way we live, but if governments do nothing, people will just keep living in the same shabby housing with ancient electrical systems and so on. Garbage disposal systems, grinding, compacting and sorting, and easy of use disposal systems should be the next thing to become "standard" in all houses. It would make our society far more effective, it would save us time in comparison to the old garbage policies of just throwing everything in the same bin or just sort out paper and plastic. Future houses have outputs for garbage, vacuum systems where you sort garbage into different holes in the kitchen that sucks it up into a central system and reuse organic matter for energy, melts plastic material and reuse other materials for future purposes. Such a system already exist in a few cities in Sweden. There it even sorts the garbage itself. But pre sorting would be a better solution and then auto-sorting to make things more perfect.


You are a fan of nuclear I see.. well, that is another debate. As for renewable energy, that is already in progress. In Spain it is mandatory for all new homes (for several years now) to have solar powered water heating systems (use to be gas based in most homes). Something like 10+% of Spain's electrical output is already coming from wind and solar, and it is higher in Scandinavia. Only countries bucking the trend is the UK and Eastern European countries really.

Not at all, but phasing from a multi energy system to a future effective electrical system only would require some further nuclear power plants, all of which should eventually as a second step be phased out in favor of other means(renewable) of creating the electricity.
But for the short term, nuclear is the only alternative in closing the gap.

Norways main source of power is hydro river power, it accounts for about 90%, while gas and such the remaining 10%, wind, solar and wave is almost unexisting, but efforts are being initiated to build wind and wave technologies and to expand power production in these two areas which fits Norway ideally in addition to the hydro power we already have. For Sweden its quite different, Denmark has a large mix of renewable, noticeably wind power, but the rest is gas and coal and such.

There just isnt anything better than renewables, because its renewable and constant ;)



I agree some what, but as I stated it will be hugely expensive to do it over a short term, since the electrical grid in many countries can not handle that amount of usage. Of course saving innovations and so on will help, but it still will mean that quite a number of countries will have to invest billions in expanding their electrical grids... including the UK.

Then we just have to add and rebuild our electrical grid to suit the future, rather than doing nothing about it.
Profits isnt everything, it would be social and economically viable in the long term, but not necessarily profitable in the short term, which is a huge problem in a capitalistic society, eventually leading to stagnation and decline, in which stage of capitalism we are in now, eventually bringing an end to the type of capitalist society that we have seen in the past in favor of more intelligently mixed systems which focus on the needs of the society and long term solutions rather than only profits and the free market. I think we are actually experiencing this change now, I just hope the world will not collapse because we are too late in doing something.


yep, but we are talking 10+ years easy.

We are talking short term, medium term and long term, a total of perhaps 100 years to completely rely on renewable creation of electric energy, and the exclusive use of electric energy across the society. But this deal with Russia and gas just makes us have to rethink the strategy a bit for the short term, and the only solution in the short term is nuclear energy and phasing out of usage of any other form of energy in homes/industry than electricity(which would also be a medium term plan).. We should constantly continue to improve and extend our production in renewable forms of energy such as wind, solar and motion. And we should increase research and development into electric technologies, including those of the future where we can possibly create infinete amounts of energy with a rather small base production of energy(which is used to create bigger and bigger end production energy)..

Tesla theories is a good place to start, so is electric storage technology.
 
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