Ethnic cleansing of Palestine

[Jenin]

A Review Of The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine By Ilan Pappe By Stephen Lendman

In his preface, Pappe writes about the "Red House" in Tel-Aviv that became headquarters for the Hagana, the dominant Zionist underground paramilitary militia during the British Mandate period in Palestine between 1920 and 1948 when the Jewish state came into being. He details how David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, met with leading Zionists and young Jewish military officers on March 10, 1948 to finalize plans to ethnically cleanse Palestine that unfolded in the months that followed including "large-scale (deadly serious)intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding villages and population centres; setting fire to homes, properties and goods; expulsion; demolition; and finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning."

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[Monk-Eye]

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[Vader]

A Review Of The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine By Ilan Pappe By Stephen Lendman

http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-lendman090207.htm

Jenin,

Your article is a poor attempt at spreading propaganda. I realize you received an indoctrination rather than an education. I know you're only regurgitating the spewage of Hamas clerics and I know that it's a death sentence in your country to disagree with them; however, you should at least attempt to learn the truth, the real story your clerics do not want you to know.

For your information, Israelis, with the exception of a some Hassidic Jews, DO NOT refer to themselves as "Zionists"; this is a propaganda term created by Islamic militants to push their militant, polluted, fake version of Islam on their people.

Have a nice day.

 

[Jenin]

Your article is a poor attempt at spreading propaganda.

No, this article is a review of a book that uses, among other factual documentation, Israeli government and Zionist documentation. Please read the book if you have a sincere will to understand the scope and truth of what happened.

I realize you received an indoctrination rather than an education. I know you're only regurgitating the spewage of Hamas clerics and I know that it's a death sentence in your country to disagree with them; however, you should at least attempt to learn the truth, the real story your clerics do not want you to know.

now that is propaganda. I will see how I can confront these continued personal attacks.

 

[cherokee]

No, this article is a review of a book that uses, among other factual documentation, Israeli government and Zionist documentation. Please read the book if you have a sincere will to understand the scope and truth of what happened.
now that is propaganda. I will see how I can confront these continued personal attacks.

Yes Jenin lets live in the past be it the truth or not that way you can prepare 1000 youths to commit suicide in the name of Allah and Israel.

Don’t look past the hate and contempt fostered thru the years and countless deaths on both sides to the possibilities of a brighter future for Palestine. Lets live our lives surrounded with a lust for blood that way a thousand years from now the only thing changed is the number of dead.
Does that sound good to you?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

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Jenin. I have asked you in-thread, I will now ask you once more, officially, to stop using the ethnic-cleansing title when describing the Israeli-Palestinian situation. This is inciting and borders on a Hate Speech violation. The next time, you will receive points. And as a preemptive strike, if anyone has disagreements with this moderation, PM myself, or another mod. If you post it here, you will be immediately suspended.

 

[Jenin]

Don’t look past the hate and contempt fostered thru the years and countless deaths on both sides to the possibilities of a brighter future for Palestine. Lets live our lives surrounded with a lust for blood that way a thousand years from now the only thing changed is the number of dead.
Does that sound good to you?

No, you know that is not my wish for my people. The truth must be made clear when ignorant/racist denial to it is evident.

I just wish you could experience/feel what we have been through and continue to go through.

 

[Tashah]

Daily Palestinian rocket attacks are ethnically cleansing the Israeli town of Sderot.

 

[Jenin]

Precisely..

Ethnically cleansed by a people ethnically cleansed before them in that region. May a sincere and just settlement occur. Hamas is part of the terror problem. Zionist terror is another part, whether past or present.
But maybe like ben Gurion would put it, better gone than dead and a large spot on our record to deal with the world. What if Hamas actually recovered all of historical palestine, erased official documentation of ethnic cleansing, and painted sderot's evacuation as an Israeli regime order so that they may wipe out Gaza?

 

[Thelost1]

Both sides piss me off. For some reason, they both seem to think that they are the only ones entitled to the entire region.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Both sides piss me off. For some reason, they both seem to think that they are the only ones entitled to the entire region.

Oh please have you looked at a map sometime?

http://www.ortzion.org/Israel_tiny.jpg

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

A Review Of The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine By Ilan Pappe By Stephen Lendman

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Which country has elected a political party whose charter calls with the eradication of the other? Oh that would be the Palestinians, or should I say the Arabs.

 

[Vader]

Both sides piss me off. For some reason, they both seem to think that they are the only ones entitled to the entire region.

The Israelis are willing to share it; the Palestinians are not.

 

[Vader]

No, you know that is not my wish for my people. The truth must be made clear when ignorant/racist denial to it is evident.

I just wish you could experience/feel what we have been through and continue to go through.

Your people bring that life on themselves by refusing to live peacefully. If your people would cease attacks on Israel, Israel would have no reason to retaliate.

Ask yourself why your schools teach race hate when they should be teaching mathmatics, language, art, and social studies. You call this point propaganda; however, you are denying the obvious truth by continuing to propagate the lies that have been forced down your throat.

You should remember, Jenin, that if Israel chose to do so, Israel could quite literally push the Palestinians into the sea. Since they Israelis are civilized they've chosen to try and live and peace. The Palestinians have chosen to preach hate and commit savage attacks in the name Allah.

I have seen countless pictures wherein Palestinians dress their children up like terrorists. I saw once picture where a mother strapped a suicide belt TO HER OWN CHILD! This act in and of itself negates all the whining the Palestinians do when their children die as a result of attacks on Israel.

You can keep right on preaching the lies you were fed by your Hamas terrorist leaders and clerics; nothing will change the fact that your people are their own worst enemy.

When your people kick Islam out of their government they will then have a chance to live a life that is not dominated by islamic indoctrination.

Your people get no sympathy because they deserve no sympathy. That is the sad, scary, horrible truth.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Mental Mockery

"Mental Mockery"

Oh please have you looked at a map sometime?

http://www.ortzion.org/Israel_tiny.jpg

That is a very excellent retort!
Although not all of those regions are arab, it is true to state they are muslim territories.
And it is doubtful that muslims of the region can garnished that much intuition, even with a map.
They have been too ignorant to read the original land deed in the first place.

 

[cherokee]

No, you know that is not my wish for my people. The truth must be made clear when ignorant/racist denial to it is evident.

Then why do you allow the Hamas and other Islamic groups to do all the talking for you? Cant you and your people rise above them? You have one man in Palestine that’s risking his life on a daily basis fighting for a free and prosperous Palestine. Why can’t you people rally behind him?

I just wish you could experience/feel what we have been through and continue to go through.

I’ve had a small taste of your world. I’ve seen the outcome of groups fighting to be the king of the hill.

 

[GarzaUK]

The Israelis are willing to share it; the Palestinians are not.

Polls on Palestinian people have suggested otherwise.

Anyway in topic. If Israel are "ethnic cleansing" they are doing a piss poor job of it, as the Palestinians are still there.

If your talking about displacement, yeah many Palestinians were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition, but many Jews were displaced in the rest of the ME were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition.

I tend to agree with TheLost1, both sides tend to piss me off.

 

[bhkad]

Both sides piss me off. For some reason, they both seem to think that they are the only ones entitled to the entire region.

The more you learn the more you will be inclined to see the truth.

These are flash presentations that help give us the history in a nutshell.

nutshell3

con2

 

[bhkad]

Israelite rule in the Land of Israel started with Joshua's conquests in about 1250 BCE. The area was variously ruled by Babylon, Persia, Greece and from 63 BCE - 313 CE, Rome. The resident Jewish population was virtually destroyed by the Romans, who remained Judea Palestina in order to eradicate all signs of Jewish identification with the Land of Israel.

It is believed that the word "Palestine" is derived from the Philistines, one of the ancient Sea Peoples of Greek origin, who settled the Southern coastal plain of Canaan in the 12th Century BCE.

From 636 - 1099, the region was ruled by Arabia. The Arabs conquered Palaestina more than two millennia after the Jews began living in the area. Ever since then there has always been a constant Jewish presence in the area. Over this entire period (from 587 BCE until today) there has never been any distinctive Palestinian culture or language and there has never been a country called Palestine governed by Palestinians.

For millennia the region known as Palestine was a neglected area of deserts and malaria swamps, with little cultivated land and few inhabitants. After the Arab invasions of the seventh century, Arabic gradually became the language spoken by most of the area's inhabitant's although it was never an exclusively Arab country. No independent Arab or Palestinian state has ever existed in the region.

In November 1947 the United Nation's Partition Plan over 80% of the area offered to the Jewish state was desert, whil the Arabs were offered large tracts of fertile land on the West Bank and in the northern Galilee. If the Arab states had accepted the U.N. partition plan, an independent Arab-Palestinian state would now have celebrated it's 54th anniversary.

Why didn't it happen?

Acceptance of the U.N. partition plan by the Arab states would have meant recognition of Israel's right to exist as a sovereign state. This was not acceptable to the Arab states. The Arab decision to invade and destroy the newborn State of Israel in 1948 and the war that followed created the refugee problem. The responsibility for solving the refugee problem should also rest on the shoulders of those who caused it.

nutshell3

The point is that the Jews are the rightful 'owners' in every way you can look at it except if you use the Koran's rules.

 

[Vader]

Polls on Palestinian people have suggested otherwise.

Anyway in topic. If Israel are "ethnic cleansing" they are doing a piss poor job of it, as the Palestinians are still there.

If your talking about displacement, yeah many Palestinians were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition, but many Jews were displaced in the rest of the ME were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition.

I tend to agree with TheLost1, both sides tend to piss me off.

Some of the Palestinians may be willing to share the land; however, those who elected Hamas (a known terrorist group) to govern them certainly are not. Hamas a group is hellbent on the total destruction of all jews everywhere.

Israel has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with the numerous attacks on their cities, which have been and continue to be committed by the Palestinians.

If the Palestinians want peace, they need to show it. The best way for them to accomplish this is to create a task force to control the terrorist groups in their territory. When Hamas begins disarming the militias in their territory they might have a chance of being taken seriously by the Israelis and the rest of the free world.

Moreover, Hamas needs to punish those responsible for smuggling Iranian arms into Palestinian-held territories. I realize that this isn't going to happen because Hamas literally is the responsible party but at least you can begin to see the issue for what it is.

I do understand why you feel the way you do; however, I cannot fault the Israelis for responding to violence in an "in-kind" sort of fashion. The Palestinians constantly whine about children being killed; however, they always fail to mention that they brainwash their children from birth and then use their children as soldiers for Allah. Have you seen the Israelis strap a suicide belt to a 9 year-old child? I haven't.

The Israelis are civilized and do not use children to fight their wars. The Palestinians have no such inhibition. They are happy to send children to die for their cause....as long as somebody in Israel died during an attack.

The undeniable truth is that the Palestinians are responsible for about 90% of the strife in that region. Strife that is caused by religious interference in their government, school system, and public media.

Islamic corruption is the cause of the issues in Palestine....not the jews.

Remember, the Palestinians were abandoned in those areas by Jordan, Syria, and Egypt after the six day war of 1967. The won a war with three terrorist nations...and the Palestinians are an unfortunate side effect of that war.

:mrgreen:

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Polls on Palestinian people have suggested otherwise.

Really is that why they elected a group which calls for the destruction of the Israeli state?

 

[DivineComedy]

Polls on Palestinian people have suggested otherwise.

Anyway in topic. If Israel are "ethnic cleansing" they are doing a piss poor job of it, as the Palestinians are still there.

If your talking about displacement, yeah many Palestinians were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition, but many Jews were displaced in the rest of the ME were displaced with force when Israel came to fruitition.

Divide overflow. Beep! Beep! Reboot. Worm detected…Congre…viral software disabled. New law installed: “States shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of Islam…public debate is futile.” New logic programming implemented: “Say no to say no to Islam.”

*****

Now where was I…

Obviously the fact that Jewish people legally immigrated to Palestine and were freaking invited into the caliphate is irrefutable proof that the Arabs and Muslims are willing to share in a joint homeland. Anyway on topic, the problem is not ethnic cleansing in the sense of going out and filling mass graves, or putting people in ovens, even though the killing does seem a little one sided with so many Palestinians dead, the problem is the apartheid regime.

Many years ago in a conversation on how efficient German cars were as compared to our junk heaps, an African American born in Morocco whose brother was born in Palestine asked me, “If the Germans were so efficient, how come we have an Arab/Israeli problem?” So yes the Zionist entity is doing “a piss poor job of it.” There is no way the Palestinians even come close to ethnic cleansing, but the apartheid regime obviously does warrant extreme prejudice in the eyes of some.

As Gandhi>Bush said:

“Terrorism is the only way to effectively fight the battle, with violence that is, however I see no sense in targeting civilians, as they would be more likely to vote for a militant.”
http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/8170-now-what-9.html#post251114

We know who has been targeting civilians, don’t we?

As far back as 1492 the peace of Islam took in the Jews that were ethnically cleansed from the west, and look at how they were betrayed! Who can forget the Jewish goddess in Ivanhoe (in the book, Elisabeth Tailor was good too)? Same as apartheid! No wonder the British Empire’s plan of Apartheid was so hated by the Arab and Muslim peoples. That reminds me of the movie “Zulu.” Keeping that red coated massacre in mind. The obvious apartheid of the Zionist entity reminds me of the connection between that Zionist entity and that other apartheid regime in South Africa, and their nuke connections. By the way, I had a birthday on the continent of Antarctica back then; Jimmy was my president and homeboy. It just seems like what we have here is a failure to communicate; one side seems to support apartheid and the other side was so peaceful it welcomed the Jews to the caliphate when they were ethnically cleansed by the apartheid supporting European conquistadors. :mrgreen:

Anyway, moving on. It is clear that the only way to bring peace to the Middle East and to end the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, is to right the wrong of 1948, and in that Gandhi has made it perfectly clear that we can not wage war to stop a holocaust.

 

[Billo_Really]

What the hell is Israel doing building a Berlin-type wall on Palestinian land?

Why do they have checkpoints on Palestinian land?

Why do they bulldoze Palestinian homes to the ground on a moments notice?

Israel's treatment and policies towards the Palestinian's is so barbaric and disgusting, that it has precipitated the violence in that region.

For anyone who wants to know just how bad Israel's policies are, go read the article

"Killing the Palestinian's"

 

[cherokee]

What the hell is Israel doing building a Berlin-type wall on Palestinian land?

Why do they have checkpoints on Palestinian land?

Why do they bulldoze Palestinian homes to the ground on a moments notice?

Israel's treatment and policies towards the Palestinian's is so barbaric and disgusting, that it has precipitated the violence in that region.

For anyone who wants to know just how bad Israel's policies are, go read the article

"Killing the Palestinian's"

Here billo if you need more bullshit Islamic propaganda why not visit Hezbollah's web site.
http://www.ghaliboun.net/

Oh and that wall is being built to prevent suicide bombers and rocket attacks from the peaceful roll Palestine people on Israel.......

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Cherokee:
Here billo if you need more bullshit Islamic propaganda why not visit Hezbollah's web site.
http://www.ghaliboun.net/

Oh and that wall is being built to prevent suicide bombers and rocket attacks from the peaceful () Palestine people on Israel.......

No need to go that far, I prefer this website for my
Sunday biased source special:

THE KEY TO PEACE: DISMANTLING THE MATRIX OF CONTROL
By Jeff Halper

One indisputable fact that has accompanied the entire "peace process" is that Israel will simply not relinquish control voluntarily over the West Bank and East Jerusalem. It will not relinquish the core of its settlement system, or control of the West Bank aquifers, or sway over the area's economy or it "security arrangements" extending over the entire Palestinian area.

From Israel's point of view, then, the trick is to find an arrangement that would leave it in control, but "relieve" it of the Palestinian population -- a kind of occupation-by-consent. This was the essence of the "take it or leave it" offer Barak and Clinton made at Camp David (the Palestinians left it), as well as that of the Taba negotiations in January, 2001. The popular impression has it that Barak made a "generous offer" of 95% of the West Bank, plus considerable parts of East Jerusalem and all of Gaza, and that the Palestinians made an "historic mistake" in rejecting it. This has let Israel off the hook in terms of repressing Palestinian resistance. It has become fashionable, even among the moderate Israeli left, to blame the Palestinians for "spoiling" the peace process. They, after all, spurned Barak's "generous offer" of 95% and reacted with "violence." We, the Israelis, did our part. We were forthcoming. They are not ready for peace, do not want peace, are not "partners" for peace. We are OK; they are to blame for everything. They deserve anything they get. We are not responsible.

The Matrix of Control: Rendering the Occupation Invisible

Before we begin our analysis of Taba, I must define what I mean by a Matrix of Control? It is a system of control designed

1. to allow Israel to control every aspect of Palestinian life in the Occupied Territories, while

2. lowering Israel's military profile in order to give the impression to the outside that what Palestinians refer to as "occupation" is merely proper administration, and that Israel has a "duty" to defend itself and the status quo, yet

3. creating enough space for a dependent Palestinian mini-state that will relieve Israel of the Palestinian population while

4. deflecting, through the use of "administrative" image and bureaucratic mechanisms, international opposition and thus to maintain control indefinitely and, in the final analysis,

4. to force the Palestinians' to despair of ever achieving a viable and truly sovereign state and to accept any settlement offered by Israeli. ("Time is on our side" is, as Sharon has often said, a cornerstone of Israeli policy.)

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