Enrollment In Obamacare's Federal Exchange, So Far, May Only Be In 'Single Digits'

iguanaman said:

Another slush fund? I suppose the "others" are Medicare and SS. And YES they make the people happier and more secure, is that what you hate? Happy people? No wonder your type are so rapidly becoming dinosaurs.

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Conservative said:

Do you get paid to post for the Obama Administration? How is the govt. shutdown affecting you and your family? You spout the DNC talking points ignoring that the House is doing exactly what the people who sent them to D.C. told them to do. You see, like all liberals a 17 trillion debt that exceeds our yearly GDP doesn't matter at all.

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reinoe said:

The ACA was never about cutting spending, it was about creating access. If you have concerns about spending then you should contact your congresscritter and have them cut spending from the three sacred cows: military, social security, and medicare.

Two out of three of those are entitlements for senior citizens.

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Conservative said:

Yep, you nailed it. Ever since LBJ and Congress put SS and Medicare on budget the money was used for things other than SS and Medicare. What would you call it if not a slush fund? Only in the liberal world is taking money dedicated to a long term retirement supplement and having it used for other items in the budget not a slush fund

Now I really wonder why anyone would call you naïve, gullible, and poorly informed?

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reinoe said:

WAAHH WAAAHHH ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS USING DNC TALKING POINTS
~Conservative

What about the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the Presidency? The people want PPACA.

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iguanaman said:

The excess money from SS is used to purchase T bills, the safest investment on the planet. Only in your Govt hating paranoid world would T-bills be called a slush fund.

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Conservative said:

There has to be some reason for this loyalty to a failed ideology. What about them? Why do you want ACA? How does ACA lower costs and improve quality? Do you think or just spout talking points?

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reinoe said:

Answer the question.

The Senate, The Supreme Court, and the Presidency. If you're going to use "the will of the people" as an argument then explain how and why Democrats have maintained those sections of the governmetn. The American people and the laws have spoken.

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Conservative said:

Wrong, the excess money was put on budget and used to show a lower deficit. IOU's replaced the SS money. Where do you get your information? Do you have any clue as to how TBills are funded? Damn, you people make me want to cry.

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By law, income to the trust funds must be invested, on a daily basis, in securities guaranteed as to both principal and interest by the Federal government. All securities held by the trust funds are "special issues" of the United States Treasury. Such securities are available only to the trust funds.

In the past, the trust funds have held marketable Treasury securities, which are available to the general public. Unlike marketable securities, special issues can be redeemed at any time at face value. Marketable securities are subject to the forces of the open market and may suffer a loss, or enjoy a gain, if sold before maturity. Investment in special issues gives the trust funds the same flexibility as holding cash.

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iguanaman said:

T-bills are the "IOU's" you are claiming. I find it funny that someone who claims to have economic sense thinks we should have stuffed the $2 Trillion SS trust fund in a mattress instead of earning interest on it.
Here is some info from SS that explains why we have "special" T-bills for Govt. trust funds of which there are many.



Trust Fund Data

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Conservative said:

The "Peoples' House is under Republican control, Democrats lost seats in the Senate and Obama registered millions of votes less than in 2008. The American people spoke and told the Republican House what to do and they are doing it. Now answer my question, why do you support ACA?

You really don't understand the supreme court ruling, do you? Not surprising

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Samhain said:

The interest on the re-issuance of the SS trust fund as public debt will outpace the gain of loaning it to other government agencies.

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reinoe said:

Wait a minute, now your using number of votes as an argument? Ok then...

Democrats received 2 million more votes than Republicans during the House elections. The House Republicans should recognize the will of the people.

And f.y.i., in case you're a little slow on the uptake, these aren't DNC talking points these are your talking points.:lamo

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One variant of this argument posits that because gerrymandering is so severe, Republicans can lose the popular vote badly and still win the House. This weakens their incentive to reach out to the median voter (and to some observers, it erodes the Republicans’ democratic legitimacy). There’s no doubt that the GOP won more seats than you would expect given its share of the popular vote: Common sense would dictate that 49 percent of the two-party vote would not entitle you to 54 percent of the seats.

But as is usually the case, common sense has its limits. First, as Theodore Arrington has observed, these vote counts are complicated by the fact that some states don’t count votes for unopposed candidates, while others, like California, employ a runoff system that frequently pitted Democrats against Democrats and Republicans against Republicans. When you account for this, the Democrats’ lead in the popular vote total shrinks.



Read more: Gerrymandering Isn't to Blame for D.C. Impasse | RealClearPolitics

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iguanaman said:

And your point is?

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Samhain said:

You lose money by "investing" the SS trust fund. In other words, it would have been more cost effective bury it in a coffee can under the White House lawn.

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iguanaman said:

Yes they show a lower deficit but are still added to the Debt. Which is why the debt didn't go down when Clinton had his surpluses.
T-bills are the "IOU's" you are claiming. I find it funny that someone who claims to have economic sense thinks we should have stuffed the $2.5 Trillion SS trust fund in a mattress instead of earning interest on it.
Here is some info from SS that explains why we have "special" T-bills for Govt. trust funds of which there are many.



Trust Fund Data

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reinoe said:

Wait a minute, now your using number of votes as an argument? Ok then...

Democrats received 2 million more votes than Republicans during the House elections. The House Republicans should recognize the will of the people.

And f.y.i., in case you're a little slow on the uptake, these aren't DNC talking points these are your talking points.:lamo

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Samhain said:

In regards to your "2 million more votes"....

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iguanaman said:

Cost effective for who? You think borrowing the same money from China would be better or cheaper? Why shouldn't SS make interest on that money? It comes from the hard work of the American people.

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reinoe said:

I'm using the numbers presented by the FEC federal elections results.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/federalelections2012.pdf

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reinoe said:

I'm using the numbers presented by the FEC federal elections results.

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/federalelections2012.pdf

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In some states, there were unopposed candidates whose names did not appear on a ballot and
therefore received no votes.
 “Total Votes,” “Total State Votes,” “Party Votes,” and “District Votes” represent all the valid
votes cast for the candidates in the election. State totals (and the totals for the territories and the
District of Columbia) are found in the summary charts and at the end of each state/territory
section. Blank, void, under and over votes are not included.
 “Combined Parties” represents all the valid votes cast for one candidate, regardless of party.
(This method is used where a candidate may be listed on the ballot more than once, with
different party designations; i.e., in Connecticut, New York and South Carolina.) These votes
are then broken down and listed by party. The party votes are enclosed by brackets [ ].

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Conservative said:

Read post 363 before making claims that you cannot support or spout because that is what you were told. The will of the people is the House of Representatives. now I am waiting for you to tell me why you are for ACA?

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Conservative said:

Do you not understand that not all votes are counted and reported? Are you really this naïve?

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Samhain said:

2T trust fund invested in special funds that pay 3% interest.
Federal Government pays the 3% interest(60billion) plus principle for a total of 2.06T
Federal Government doesn't have 2.06T, so issues public debt of 2.06T
Federal Government pays the 3% interest plus principle, and issues more debt to pay off this debt.
Rinse & Repeat.

The Trust fund got an extra 60 billion at an initial cost of 66.18B, for a loss of 6.18 billion.

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