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Elon Musk on artificial intelligence (4 Viewers)

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But AI is coming for jobs - lots and lots of jobs.

We are wholly unprepared.
 
First thing that popped into my head when I read the headline was the correlation between Musk and "artificial" intelligence. :sneaky:
 
Musk is a habitual over-promiser, especially on timelines. In 2016, he claimed full self-driving would be ready in two years. Same with his predictions about the Tesla Semi - way tf off. I'd take his self-driving claims with a grain of salt.

The robot part, though, is probably legit. We can already see the tech working. He's also right that the price of goods matters far more than the number of jobs. Driving down the cost of labor is always a win.
 
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I think he's largely right about the things he said. As an AI Engineer / Data Scientist, here are my thoughts:
  • "In 10 years, AI will be smarter than the smartest person for cognitive tasks." - Honestly, I think Elon is way too conservative here. AI is *already* smarter than the median person for most cognitive tasks. I think the time horizon for this is more like 2-4 years.
  • "Billions of humanoid robots in 10 years." - I agree. The main limiting factor will not be their intelligence or spatial awareness, but how fast they can roll off the assembly line.
  • "50% of miles driven are autonomous in 5 years, 90% of miles driven are autonomous in 10 years." - This seems unrealistically optimistic. Waymo currently has self-driving cars better than humans, but it will take years to ramp up production, change state traffic laws everywhere, and churn through the existing fleet of automobiles. Where I think Elon is right: If you live in a big city and prefer a self-driving Uber, that will be an affordable option in 5 years. And if you don't live in a big city, in 10 years.
  • "Goods and services are nearly free." - I agree, for many goods and services. I'm not convinced humanoid robots will have produced *all* goods and services in 10 years though. Jobs with a lot of manual dexterity (e.g. surgeons, auto mechanics, dentists, electricians) will likely be around a bit longer IMO.
  • "10-20% likelihood of killer robots annihilating humanity in 10 years." - That probability is about where I'm at, in the long term. I think it's less than that within 10 years. But military robots almost certainly will kill a lot of people, even in the absence of a full Skynet scenario. The reason my probability of doom isn't higher than that is that AI does seem to be getting more morally aligned with humans as it becomes smarter. I'm generally optimistic.
 
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I think it's less than that within 10 years. But military robots almost certainly will kill a lot of people, even in the absence of a full Skynet scenario.

Military drones are military robots and they've been killing people for 25 years now. But putting the robot in human form on the ground is a lot more scary.
 
Your link doesn’t seem to work.

But AI is coming for jobs - lots and lots of jobs.

We are wholly unprepared.

We may see a time where a global system of minimum income assistance is required as all the jobs are done by robots.
The whole idea of the value of money may need to change.
 
Technology was supposed to free man from labor.

But it’s just ended up freeing the ownership class from labor costs.
At some point freedom from labor costs/laborers will result in freedom from consumers with incomes.

The changes brought about by the Industrial Revolution will be dwarfed by the changes coming with the AI/Robotics Revolution.
 
I think he's largely right about the things he said. As an AI Engineer / Data Scientist, here are my thoughts:
  • "In 10 years, AI will be smarter than the smartest person for cognitive tasks." - Honestly, I think Elon is way too conservative here. AI is *already* smarter than the median person for most cognitive tasks. I think the time horizon for this is more like 2-4 years.
I am a Lead DevOps/SRE Engineer - so more of a generalist in tech, but we use LLMs, reasoning models, vision APIs and so on in our jobs all the time. I agree with your prediction here. I think we are about 2 years from AI being smarter than humans at virtually all cognitive tasks. Context length (and overall context) is the biggest limiter today.
  • "Billions of humanoid robots in 10 years." - I agree. The main limiting factor will not be their intelligence or spatial awareness, but how fast they can roll off the assembly line.
I don't see this one happening without major advancements in battery tech. Moreover, why would a humanoid robot be the most efficient robot? We aren't the most efficient design, we are a product of evolution. Tech doesn't have those kinds of limitations. I think it is much more likely that we have more and more AI enabled/controlled automation in our homes and lives (smart homes on steroids).
  • "50% of miles driven are autonomous in 5 years, 90% of miles driven are autonomous in 10 years." - This seems unrealistically optimistic. Waymo currently has self-driving cars better than humans, but it will take years to ramp up production, change state traffic laws everywhere, and churn through the existing fleet of automobiles. Where I think Elon is right: If you live in a big city and prefer a self-driving Uber, that will be an affordable option in 5 years. And if you don't live in a big city, in 10 years.
China will get there long before we will. One could also argue that if we were to grant more of our state and local governing functions like permitting and infrastructure design to AIs in the future, they would determine in most cases mass transit (streetcars, lightrail, autonomous buses) are far more efficient than hundreds of millions of autonomous vehicles.
  • "Goods and services are nearly free." - I agree, for many goods and services. I'm not convinced humanoid robots will have produced *all* goods and services in 10 years though. Jobs with a lot of manual dexterity (e.g. surgeons, auto mechanics, dentists, electricians) will likely be around a bit longer IMO.
I think this one is just Elon's typical utopian nonsense. We can't change human psychology in 10 years, and markets are at least partially instinctual for humans - so everything won't be free. That said, I do think that AI will replace many jobs in the next 10 years.
  • "10-20% likelihood of killer robots annihilating humanity in 10 years." - That probability is about where I'm at, in the long term. I think it's less than that within 10 years. But military robots almost certainly will kill a lot of people, even in the absence of a full Skynet scenario. The reason my probability of doom isn't higher than that is that AI does seem to be getting more morally aligned with humans as it becomes smarter. I'm generally optimistic.
I am with you in that we will see AI powered drones. I do not believe that AI will ever turn on humans. Our murderous instincts are a product of evolution.



In either case, the next 10 years will likely be good years (assuming we don't cripple our economy with trade wars) for growth minded generalists that embrace new tools and tech, and they will likely be bad years for people that are not growth minded and resistant to change. I don't think the average American has any real concept of the change that will occur due to advancements in AI in just the next 5 years.
 
I think he's largely right about the things he said. As an AI Engineer / Data Scientist, here are my thoughts:
  • "In 10 years, AI will be smarter than the smartest person for cognitive tasks." - Honestly, I think Elon is way too conservative here. AI is *already* smarter than the median person for most cognitive tasks. I think the time horizon for this is more like 2-4 years.
  • "Billions of humanoid robots in 10 years." - I agree. The main limiting factor will not be their intelligence or spatial awareness, but how fast they can roll off the assembly line.
  • "50% of miles driven are autonomous in 5 years, 90% of miles driven are autonomous in 10 years." - This seems unrealistically optimistic. Waymo currently has self-driving cars better than humans, but it will take years to ramp up production, change state traffic laws everywhere, and churn through the existing fleet of automobiles. Where I think Elon is right: If you live in a big city and prefer a self-driving Uber, that will be an affordable option in 5 years. And if you don't live in a big city, in 10 years.
  • "Goods and services are nearly free." - I agree, for many goods and services. I'm not convinced humanoid robots will have produced *all* goods and services in 10 years though. Jobs with a lot of manual dexterity (e.g. surgeons, auto mechanics, dentists, electricians) will likely be around a bit longer IMO.
  • "10-20% likelihood of killer robots annihilating humanity in 10 years." - That probability is about where I'm at, in the long term. I think it's less than that within 10 years. But military robots almost certainly will kill a lot of people, even in the absence of a full Skynet scenario. The reason my probability of doom isn't higher than that is that AI does seem to be getting more morally aligned with humans as it becomes smarter. I'm generally optimistic.


The ability to manufacture them won't be much of an issue. China could produce hundreds of million a year

His prediction for miles driven is way off

Very few if any cars on the road today are capable of full self driving and in 10 years approximately 50% of the cats on the road today will still be on the road ( US).

I expect his numbers for that are off by 10 years at minimum and optimistic on % by 50%
 
I don't see this one happening without major advancements in battery tech.
This is possible. Production of them will be the main limiting factor. I could see a situation where general-purpose robots exist for most tasks, that can do most worker's jobs better than the worker can...but it doesn't happen for a while because there simply aren't enough robots and/or they are too expensive.

Moreover, why would a humanoid robot be the most efficient robot? We aren't the most efficient design, we are a product of evolution. Tech doesn't have those kinds of limitations. I think it is much more likely that we have more and more AI enabled/controlled automation in our homes and lives (smart homes on steroids).
I think people underestimate the power of the humanoid shape for general-purpose uses. Yes, we are the product of evolution...but that means our shape is good at interacting with the world. Furthermore, our appliances and tools and buildings have all "evolved" to accommodate human-shaped beings, so at least at first, I think that's going to be the preferred shape for general-purpose tools. It's fine to have a Roomba-shaped thing if you just need a vacuum cleaner, floor scrubber, or lawn mower...but if you want a single machine that can do all those things and also load the dishwasher, do the laundry, fix the plumbing, cook dinner, and re-shingle the roof, then I think a humanoid will be the best choice. At least for a while, until our appliances/tools/buildings start coming in other varieties to accommodate other shapes of robots.

China will get there long before we will.
It's possible. I'm very worried that Trump's tariffs have made that more likely, especially if he doesn't back down soon. However, China seems to be having some internal political problems of their own at the moment, and it's unclear how serious they are or whether they'll threaten the country's economic trajectory.

One could also argue that if we were to grant more of our state and local governing functions like permitting and infrastructure design to AIs in the future, they would determine in most cases mass transit (streetcars, lightrail, autonomous buses) are far more efficient than hundreds of millions of autonomous vehicles.
I agree, for cities. For people who live farther out, I'm not sure mass transit will ever have the appeal. But since the driver's wage is one of the main expenses and that will be disappearing for autonomous vehicles, it's possible that I'm wrong. Maybe mass transit could become viable even in American suburbs and exurbs, once the cost of paying a driver goes to zero. I'm unsure. I suspect people in those areas would still rather use an autonomous vehicle for a while.

I think this one is just Elon's typical utopian nonsense. We can't change human psychology in 10 years, and markets are at least partially instinctual for humans - so everything won't be free.
I agree that markets will still exist, but I think what he's getting at is that most goods and services will become so abundant that the cost of producing them drops to near-zero, and therefore the cost of buying them drops precipitously too. "Near free" might be an exaggeration in that time frame though. Again, this probably goes back to your point about whether robot production is limited by other factors (e.g. battery tech). If there are a sufficient number of robots available to do a task and it isn't particularly energy-intensive, it seems the sky's the limit on how productive they can be.
 
At some point freedom from labor costs/laborers will result in freedom from consumers with incomes.

The changes brought about by the Industrial Revolution will be dwarfed by the changes coming with the AI/Robotics Revolution.
Yeah hate to tell you that will not be done under a capitalist system.
 
Yeah hate to tell you that will not be done under a capitalist system.
Why hate to tell me?

Capitalism’s days are numbered. When the AI/Robotics revolution comes capitalism will be obsolete.
 
At some point freedom from labor costs/laborers will result in freedom from consumers with incomes.

Nice, you got both the fixed-pie fallacy and the lump of labor fallacy in one sentence.

The changes brought about by the Industrial Revolution will be dwarfed by the changes coming with the AI/Robotics Revolution.

Bold claim but I think you're right. And just like the IR, the changes will be overwhelmingly positive.
 

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