Elizabeth Warren’s embattled campaign: Cherokee tie found 5 generations ago

TurtleDude · May 2, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Ah. My fault, I thought it was a lower school in the tier 3, did not remember your point correctly. Rutgers isn't a bad law school but as you've said doesn't rate one well to teach at the Ivy level.

Having gone to a top college that had the best law school in the world (where I took a couple classes) and then on to another law school that with the graduate program I did a Joint degree in was ranked top in the world in that program, I pretty much know the score. and warren's appointments ooze affirmative action-its not like there are a whole bunch of native american's with top law degrees running around

TurtleDude · May 2, 2012

AdamT said:
It would appear that that is your position about everyone who you don't like for political reasons. As I mentioned earlier, she was recruited to Harvard by Charles Fried -- Reagan's Solicitor General -- who has said that he didn't know anything about the Native American business. Specifically, he said, "That's totally stupid, ignorant, uninformed and simply wrong. I presented her case to the faculty. I did not mention her Native American connection because I did not know about it."

but if her credentials were based on her status then you are wrong again

would she have had all those teaching appointments purely on merit? I doubt it

but the issue is her honesty and it appears to be lacking

LaMidRighter · May 2, 2012

TurtleDude said:
Having gone to a top college that had the best law school in the world (where I took a couple classes) and then on to another law school that with the graduate program I did a Joint degree in was ranked top in the world in that program, I pretty much know the score. and warren's appointments ooze affirmative action-its not like there are a whole bunch of native american's with top law degrees running around

It's when I hear her take on the law and social issues and know instinctively as a non JD that she's full of it that it gives me no other choice than to say "affirmitive action appointed moron.".

TurtleDude · May 2, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
It's when I hear her take on the law and social issues and know instinctively as a non JD that she's full of it that it gives me no other choice than to say "affirmitive action appointed moron.".

she has that elitist leftist sense of entitlement. the attitude that because she thinks she is well educated she is entitled to the wealth of others. The worst kind of parasite that spawns the plaintiff's bar in the law. I will explain that tomorrow-I have a long day tomorrow

later

justabubba · May 2, 2012

TurtleDude said:
It appears she got some or most of the jobs based on affirmative action combined with her fraudulent claim of being Native American.

and what of others, born with a silver spoon up their asses, who attended ivy league schools based only on legacies and affluence
i am guessing they sit around all day, on line, trashing those who have truly succeeded; exhibiting their transparent envy towards those who have actually accomplished great things based on their work effort and merit

AdamT · May 2, 2012

TurtleDude said:
but if her credentials were based on her status then you are wrong again

would she have had all those teaching appointments purely on merit? I doubt it

but the issue is her honesty and it appears to be lacking

Again, you are about as lacking in objectivity as anyone I know. I don't think she's regarded as one of the country's foremost experts on bankruptcy because of her sex or heritage.

LaMidRighter · May 2, 2012

AdamT said:
Again, you are about as lacking in objectivity as anyone I know. I don't think she's regarded as one of the country's foremost experts on bankruptcy because of her sex or heritage.

Warren is not a foremost expert in any serious circles. She's actually considered a running joke by most financial and economics circles, I have no idea where you get the idea she is respected.

AdamT · May 2, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Warren is not a foremost expert in any serious circles. She's actually considered a running joke by most financial and economics circles, I have no idea where you get the idea she is respected.

She is considered one of the foremost experts on bankruptcy law, having authored numerous law review articles in prestiguous journals, as well as several case books on the subject.

Selected articles Warren, E. (1987). "Bankruptcy Policy". The University of Chicago Law Review 54 (3): 775–814. JSTOR 1599826.
Warren, E. (1992). "The Untenable Case for Repeal of Chapter 11". The Yale Law Journal 102 (2): 437–479. JSTOR 796843.
Warren, E. (1993). "Bankruptcy Policymaking in an Imperfect World". Michigan Law Review 92 (2): 336–387. JSTOR 1289668.
"Principled Approach to Consumer Bankruptcy". American Bankruptcy Law Journal 71: 483. 1997.
"The Bankruptcy Crisis". Indiana Law Journal 73 (4): 1079. Fall 1998.
Warren, Elizabeth; Westbrook, Jay Lawrence (January 2000). "Financial Characteristics of Businesses in Bankruptcy". SSRN Electronic Journal 73: 499. doi:10.2139/ssrn.194750.
Himmelstein, DU; Warren, E; Thorne, D; Woolhandler, S (2005). "Illness and injury as contributors to bankruptcy". Health affairs (Project Hope) Suppl Web Exclusives: W5–63–W5–73. doi:10.1377/hlthaff.w5.63. PMID 15689369.
"The Vanishing Middle Class". In Edwards, John, ed. (2007). Ending Poverty in America: How to Restore the American Dream. The New Press. ISBN 978-1-59558-176-1.
Himmelstein, David U.; Warren, Elizabeth; Thorne, Deborah; Woolhandler, Steffie J. (2005). "Illness and Injury as Contributors to Bankruptcy". SSRN Electronic Journal. doi:10.2139/ssrn.664565.
Himmelstein, DU; Thorne, D; Warren, E; Woolhandler, S (2009). "Medical bankruptcy in the United States, 2007: Results of a national study". The American journal of medicine 122 (8): 741–6. doi:10.1016/j.amjmed.2009.04.012. PMID 19501347.
Books As We Forgive Our Debtors: Bankruptcy and Consumer Credit in America. Oxford University Press. 1989. ISBN 978-0-19-505578-8. (with Teresa A. Sullivan and Jay Westbrook)
The Fragile Middle Class: Americans in Debt. Yale University Press. 2001. ISBN 978-0-300-09171-7. (with Teresa A. Sullivan and Jay Westbrook)
The Two-Income Trap: Why Middle-Class Parents are Going Broke. Basic Books. 2004. ISBN 978-0-465-09090-7. (with Amelia Warren Tyagi)
All Your Worth: The Ultimate Lifetime Money Plan. Simon and Schuster. 2006. ISBN 978-0-7432-6988-9. (with Amelia Warren Tyagi)
Casenote Legal Briefs: Commercial Law. Aspen Publishers. 2006. ISBN 978-0-7355-5827-4. (with Lynn M. LoPucki, Daniel Keating, Ronald Mann, and Normal Goldenberg)
The Law of Debtors and Creditors: Text, Cases, and Problems (6th ed.). Aspen Publishers. 2008. ISBN 978-0-7355-7626-1. (with Jay Westbrook)
Chapter 11: Reorganizing American Businesses (Essentials). Aspen Publishers. 2008. ISBN 978-0-7355-7654-4.
Chapter 11: Secured Credit: A Systems Approach. Wolters Kluwer Law & Business. 2008. ISBN 978735576490. (with Lynn M. LoPucki)

LaMidRighter · May 3, 2012

AdamT said:
She is considered one of the foremost experts on bankruptcy law, having authored numerous law review articles in prestiguous journals, as well as several case books on the subject.

Yes, in legal circles which tend to sway left she is celebrated. There are two sides to bankruptcy law and the fact is that a heavy proportion of the financial and economic side consider her a blithering idiot, so she isn't considered some kind of univesal genius here, and as a matter of fact most of the stuff I have read from her is complete garbage. But hey, if people like her that's their perogative.

AdamT · May 3, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Yes, in legal circles which tend to sway left she is celebrated. There are two sides to bankruptcy law and the fact is that a heavy proportion of the financial and economic side consider her a blithering idiot, so she isn't considered some kind of univesal genius here, and as a matter of fact most of the stuff I have read from her is complete garbage. But hey, if people like her that's their perogative.

She generally supprts consumer and bankruptcy rights, so of course the bloodsuckers don't like her.

justabubba · May 3, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Yes, in legal circles which tend to sway left she is celebrated. There are two sides to bankruptcy law and the fact is that a heavy proportion of the financial and economic side consider her a blithering idiot, so she isn't considered some kind of univesal genius here, and as a matter of fact most of the stuff I have read from her is complete garbage. But hey, if people like her that's their perogative.

show us some links offering the basis for the purported negative findings

LaMidRighter · May 3, 2012

AdamT said:
She generally supprts consumer and bankruptcy rights, so of course the bloodsuckers don't like her.

No, she generally supports her assertion of consumer and bankruptcy rights which when you break it down aren't rights at all, she is an advocate of doing an "end-around" to contract law, saying people who signed in good faith "didn't sign in good faith" it's as dishonest as it comes.

Eighty Deuce · May 3, 2012

justabubba said:
show us some links offering the basis for the purported negative findings

There were links and a discussion earlier about he massive errors in her bankruptcy - medical costs studies. The women is a darling of the socialists is all. That makes her an expert to the same folks that told us Obama was a Constitutional Law expert. :roll:

TurtleDude · May 3, 2012

justabubba said:
and what of others, born with a silver spoon up their asses, who attended ivy league schools based only on legacies and affluence
i am guessing they sit around all day, on line, trashing those who have truly succeeded; exhibiting their transparent envy towards those who have actually accomplished great things based on their work effort and merit

as usual, you speak of which you have no knowledge based on envy. The top students in my Ivy league class had a disproportionate number of "legacies" who were wealthy. The top student in my class was 6th or 7th Generation Yale, the number one in the class of 79 (a Rhodes scholar) was the daughter of one of Albany's top lawyers who had gone to Yale and Yale Law, and the number one in the Class of 80 (a suitemate-also a Rhodes) was also a Legacy.

Your guessing needs some work since it has no relations to reality.

TurtleDude · May 3, 2012

AdamT said:
Again, you are about as lacking in objectivity as anyone I know. I don't think she's regarded as one of the country's foremost experts on bankruptcy because of her sex or heritage.

remind me of all the time ons this board-of your almost 10,000 posts where you have been critical of the president you support or the party you work for

Eighty Deuce · May 3, 2012

And the nonsense from Warren just keep getting deeper:

Warren: I used minority listing to share heritage

Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren, fending off questions about whether she used her Native American heritage to advance her career, said today she enrolled herself as a minority in law school directories for nearly a decade because she hoped to meet other people with tribal roots.

“I listed myself in the directory in the hopes that it might mean that I would be invited to a luncheon, a group something that might happen with people who are like I am. Nothing like that ever happened, that was clearly not the use for it and so I stopped checking it off,” said Warren.

The Harvard Law professor argued she didn’t use her minority status to get her teaching jobs, and slammed her Republican rival U.S. Sen.Scott Brown for suggesting otherwise ......

........... “Being Native American has been part of my story I guess since the day I was born,” said Warren, who never mentioned her Native American heritage on the campaign trail even as she detailed much of her personal history to voters in speeches, statements and a video. “These are my family stories, I have lived in a family that has talked about Native American and talked about tribes since I was a little girl.”

more: Warren: I used minority listing to share heritage - BostonHerald.com

So the whole family sat around and talked about being 1/32nd Injun. And we must assume that the next generation has sat around and talked about being 1/64th Injun. The "darling of the left". :roll:

00timh · May 3, 2012

This kind of stuff really makes my brain ache. for so many ways.... 1st, why go to such trouble touting native American ancestry when it means so little for her anyway? Unless she grew up on a reservation, had a native American wedding ceremony and or whatever, it does so little if anything to add to her electability. But then that it has been so vastly overblown that it comes down to 1/32... in which case more people than not can find 1/32 of just about anything, it stands to hurt her. But, then again, it also pushes my pain threshold to see that people were even making a big deal out of it in the 1st place as if her having native american heritage would have ever been a detriment.

I think all involved need a good scalping IMO.

Eighty Deuce · May 3, 2012

Harvard sure seemed to think it mattered that she was Native American.

Let’s start with the facts as we know them.

On Friday, the Boston Herald reported that Harvard Law School had touted Warren as a Native American employee in the 1990s when the school was under fire for lack of diversity. Warren said she had no idea she was described as such until the Herald reported it, although she does have native ancestry. (A genealogist says Warren‘s great-great-great grandmother is listed as Cherokee.)

Yet Warren also identified herself as a minority in professional legal directories for nine years.

Elizabeth Warren’s Native American problem - The Washington Post

justabubba · May 3, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
No, she generally supports her assertion of consumer and bankruptcy rights which when you break it down aren't rights at all, she is an advocate of doing an "end-around" to contract law, saying people who signed in good faith "didn't sign in good faith" it's as dishonest as it comes.

so, what you are telling us is that you oppose the bankruptcy practices she advocated
do you also disapprove of corporations being able to file for bankruptcy, to avoid their contracted obligations or just individuals?

LaMidRighter · May 3, 2012

justabubba said:
so, what you are telling us is that you oppose the bankruptcy practices she advocated
do you also disapprove of corporations being able to file for bankruptcy, to avoid their contracted obligations or just individuals?

Stop dude. Just stop, Warren wanted to change contracts stating there was a fraud and I never said she was completely wrong, just dishonest and stupid. Since you cannot get my point I'll finish this, bankruptcy is legitimate as a last resort, it's fine if you need to reorganize but not to dodge debt or to make an assertion that the other party engaged in unethical practices or predatory lending as Warren has often asserted. Don't ever try that strawman again.

justabubba · May 3, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Stop dude. Just stop, Warren wanted to change contracts stating there was a fraud and I never said she was completely wrong, just dishonest and stupid. Since you cannot get my point I'll finish this, bankruptcy is legitimate as a last resort, it's fine if you need to reorganize but not to dodge debt or to make an assertion that the other party engaged in unethical practices or predatory lending as Warren has often asserted. Don't ever try that strawman again.

what you are telling us is you have absolutely NO clue about what is involved in a bankruptcy proceeding
got it

LaMidRighter · May 3, 2012

justabubba said:
what you are telling us is you have absolutely NO clue about what is involved in a bankruptcy proceeding
got it

Nice lie there. Never said it.

justabubba · May 3, 2012

LaMidRighter said:
Nice lie there. Never said it.

ok, but i get tired of teaching folks who seem incapable of learning

LaMidRighter said:
Stop dude. Just stop, Warren wanted to change contracts stating there was a fraud and I never said she was completely wrong, just dishonest and stupid.

here you go
someone perpetrates a fraud and while acknowledging the legitimacy of challenging such fraud, you then term that challenging action "dishonest and stupid"
hint: what is ""dishonest and stupid" is NOT challenging fraud in the bankruptcy court but objecting to those who effect such challenges

Since you cannot get my point I'll finish this, bankruptcy is legitimate as a last resort, it's fine if you need to reorganize but not to dodge debt or to make an assertion that the other party engaged in unethical practices or predatory lending as Warren has often asserted.

here
you want to say that chapter 11 or 13 is acceptable but chapter 7 is not
you have exposed your ignorance of bankruptcy proceedings. you haven't a clue what you are talking about. fortunately, Ms. Warren does
which is why it is very appropriate for her to use the bankruptcy proceedings to object to unethical and predatory lending practices
your own inability to comprehend that speaks to your diminimis understanding of the bankruptcy topic
now, return to the shallow end of the pool before you hurt yourself

Don't ever try that strawman again.

point out the strawman
another topic about which you haven't a clue

danarhea · May 3, 2012

Hey, come on guys. You keep bringing up George Bush and Scott Brown, but the issue here IS Elizabeth Warren. You accuse Republicans all the time of bringing up other subjects to divert attention from the main topic, but here you are doing it yourself.

I find Elizabeth Warren's action here objectionable. Period. We can discuss Scott Brown or George Bush in other threads, where THEY are the topic.

justabubba · May 3, 2012

danarhea said:
Hey, come on guys. You keep bringing up George Bush and Scott Brown, but the issue here IS Elizabeth Warren. You accuse Republicans all the time of bringing up other subjects to divert attention from the main topic, but here you are doing it yourself.

I find Elizabeth Warren's action here objectionable. Period. We can discuss Scott Brown or George Bush in other threads, where THEY are the topic.

you object to her recognizing her Cherokee heritage
why is that?

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