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Envious much?

 
Envious much?

Dick Celeste was a Rhodes Scholar too

it doesn't mean as much as it once did when it started eliminating the athletic requirement after Viet Nam. It basically (especially for the east coast panels) became an award for good students who are good BSers. The most qualified guy in my class for one-all american, summa cum laude, lots of volunteer work got turned down because Guido Calabresi (one of the first non-athletic Rhodes recipients) was a draft dodger who didn't like the fact that this guy was going into the Marines (it made sense, his father died early and by going into the marines as an officer he would be stationed in Va, where Va would allow him to attend the excellent U of Va law school that the Marines would pay for) where he won the Commadant's award for the finest USMCR officer candidate in country.

So Reich getting a Rhodes doesn't mean anymore to me than your master getting the Nobel Peace prize

and I still am worth many times more than Reich and again, I was an all-american-he was hardly an athlete

BTW your silly recitation of his record doesn't disprove what I said about his arguments
 

So you think you're better than he is because you inherited a bunch of money that you didn't earn? Interesting theory.

AFAIK athletics have always been, and still are, a consideration for the scholarship, but not a requirement.
 
So you think you're better than he is because you inherited a bunch of money that you didn't earn? Interesting theory.

AFAIK athletics have always been, and still are, a consideration for the scholarship, but not a requirement.


Why are you diverting-Hes a left wing hack-that is the point I made. I don't know him personally and I admit he was an excellent student. But he's a parasite advocate and I have no use for that. His arguments are based on an assumption that much higher marginal tax rates "were feair" and thus the current tax rates on the wealthy are unfair to the people who pay even less.

I was a nominee for that scholarship. Professors Yates, Foltz and Dahl who nominated me noted that half the people who get the award will be less qualified than I am but at least another 50 who also were turned down were also more qualified than I was.

I agree with their assessments
 
Envious much?

How the heck do you get from

to your reply? I mean if all you are going to do is bait, just get the heck out of the thread.
 

Robert Reich has outstanding credintials. I would accept his opinion over some uneducated political radio show hack or some Fox News Freinds any day.
 

Agree or disagree, he is anything but a hack. He's a first rate scholar.
 
Agree or disagree, he is anything but a hack. He's a first rate scholar.

his opinion that the current tax rates are unfair (too low for the rich) are based on his ASSUMPTION that the 90% rates of the war time era were fair. He's a hack when it comes to this just as Krugman is a hack
 
his opinion that the current tax rates are unfair (too low for the rich) are based on his ASSUMPTION that the 90% rates of the war time era were fair. He's a hack when it comes to this just as Krugman is a hack

The 90% rate myth is a fallacy anyways. Dishonest hacks like AdamT like to hang it out there like the tax code during that time was even remotely the same thing. It wasn't.

Nobody paid the 90% rate. Everyone took advantage of the numerous tax loopholes that were in the tax code. That's why when Reagan lowered the Marginal Tax rates to 28%, he closed all those loopholes. Everything that comes out of AdamT's mouth and the rest of the George Orwell's Pigs that squeal all over the boards are lies. They are all Squealers, justifying any action Obama does.
 
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Robert Reich has outstanding credintials. I would accept his opinion over some uneducated political radio show hack or some Fox News Freinds any day.

no, fox news and talk radio are the pinnacle of human knowledge. your source and his outstanding 'credentials' are just code for 'liberal'. :lamo
 
his opinion that the current tax rates are unfair (too low for the rich) are based on his ASSUMPTION that the 90% rates of the war time era were fair. He's a hack when it comes to this just as Krugman is a hack

I suspect that there's a liiiiittle more to it than that.
 
claiming the rich don't pay enough taxes is a value judgment not based on academic credentials. he's a far left hack
 
You haven't because, I'm sure you're aware, you can't without revealing an inconsistency in your reasoning.

Ah, more prognosticating! Excellent. It never ends.
 

Dimwitted conservatives always like to pound that strawman, when of course everyone understand that people pay less than the top marginal rate. People who know things also know that the effective tax rate was also much higher when the marginal rates were higher. Dimwits on the right try to argue that raising the top rate to where it was under Clinton would kill small businesses, but they are ignorant of the fact that the small business growth rate was about 150% higher under Clinton than it was under Bush.
 
claiming the rich don't pay enough taxes is a value judgment not based on academic credentials. he's a far left hack

That may be part of the argument -- just as your argument that the rich should pay the same as everyone else is a value judgement. But there are also plenty of pragmatic arguments for a more progressive tax code and not so many on the obverse side.
 


speaking of dimwitted arguments-pretending that the clinton tax hikes were the main or a major reason for business growth.
 
That may be part of the argument -- just as your argument that the rich should pay the same as everyone else is a value judgement. But there are also plenty of pragmatic arguments for a more progressive tax code and not so many on the obverse side.



pragmatic arguments mainly for the politicians

you can buy the votes of the many by taxing a few voters a lot
 
speaking of dimwitted arguments-pretending that the clinton tax hikes were the main or a major reason for business growth.

Nope, just pointing out that slightly higher rates ceratainly won't kill small businesses, as history has shown.
 
Nope, just pointing out that slightly higher rates ceratainly won't kill small businesses, as history has shown.

so if someone is retired and say they invested for years you think dividend taxation going from 15% to 40% is "slightly higher rates"?
 
pragmatic arguments mainly for the politicians

you can buy the votes of the many by taxing a few voters a lot

Yep, that does seem to be the right wing talking point of the week. But I was referring to the fact that less proressivity contributes to income inequality and the shrinking of the middle class, and that ultimately has negative consequences for all income groups. But you know how children are; they want their ice cream NOW and they want to eat as much as they want, even if it will give them a sore tummy later on.
 


the growth of big government is fueled by progressive taxes. that is a far bigger problem than a tax system that does not punish the hard workers nor slake the envy of the unproductive

I guess you think not enough taxes shrinks the middle class

rather than say dependency on too much government and being told that "winning" is evil
 
All this is just hogwash...all this im not doing this because obama got relected...Im not spending this because of obamacare...BS..

Heres the deal...if you have the business, YOU WILL HIRE to service your customers...if you dont have the business you dont hire...that goes for small or big business...If you want to lay off and turn down business because you cant handle it...FINE...another business will take it..
Doesnt matter who is president liberal conservative...if business has the customers they WILL hire to service their business...all this whining is plain horse****
 
so if someone is retired and say they invested for years you think dividend taxation going from 15% to 40% is "slightly higher rates"?

I think that the 40% dividend rate only applies to high income individuals, and of course that's the statutory rate -- not the effective rate. But of course you only want to talk about that with respect to the 1950s and you want to pretend that people actually pay the statutory rate nowadays.
 
the growth of big government is fueled by progressive taxes.

History does not support your argument. In fact, if anything, it is just the opposite.
 
History does not support your argument. In fact, if anything, it is just the opposite.

well lets see

we started progressive taxation in earnest when

and then track the size of our government
 
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