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Egypt brokers a cease fire, Israel accepts, Hamas rejects [W:39]

Napoleon said:
Pardon? The only ceasefire agreement here was between Israel and Egypt. There was no agreement with Hamas because they weren't invited to the discussion.
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Sherman123 gave an excellent answer to this point a few posts up.

Also, this was the agreement:
The full text of the Egyptian cease-fire proposal - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News | Haaretz
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d. Other issues, including security issues shall be discussed with the two sides.

2. Method of implementation of the initiative:

a. It has been decided to initiate implementation of the de-escalation agreements at -- : -- hours (GMT) on -- / 7 / 2014, pending the implementation of a full ceasefire within twelve hours of the announcement of the Egyptian initiative and its unconditional acceptance by both sides.

b. High-level delegations from both the Israeli government and the Palestinian factions shall be hosted in Cairo within 48 hours of the initiation of the initiative’s implementation in order to conclude talks for the consolidation of the ceasefire and resume confidence-building measures between the two sides. Talks shall be held with each of the two sides separately (in accordance with the agreements for the consolidation of de-escalation in Cairo in 2012).
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You're making it out as if Egypt and Israel cooked up some agreement which was suited solely for Israel's need. That's completely false, as the text of the agreement itself can show you. The agreement was to cease fire pending "talks for the consolidation of the ceasefire and resume confidence-building measures". Hamas threw it in our faces because they hadn't killed enough Israeli soldiers\civilians and didn't want to come out of this conflict on bottom.
 
Napoleon said:
Pardon? The only ceasefire agreement here was between Israel and Egypt. There was no agreement with Hamas because they weren't invited to the discussion.
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Manc Skipper said:
That's the nub of the problem.
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So if Israel decides to bomb Gaza, then it's at fault for committing a "disproportionate" act of retaliation and thereby proves that it's oppressing the Palestinians. If Israel decides to stop, then it's also to blame because it didn't ask Hamas for permission first (IOW Hamas refused to enter talks until Israel did what they wanted).

There's just no pleasing some people.
 
On the contrary some people are mightily pleased at the blood of innocents being spilt along with the guilty, and blame the innocent for not moving to another part of their living prison to avoid death.
 
Manc Skipper said:
On the contrary some people are mightily pleased at the blood of innocents being spilt along with the guilty, and blame the innocent for not moving to another part of their living prison to avoid death.
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The only folks pleased with it are Hamas and their supporters.
 
Manc Skipper said:
On the contrary some people are mightily pleased at the blood of innocents being spilt along with the guilty, and blame the innocent for not moving to another part of their living prison to avoid death.
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Well, ceasefires are an effective way to avoid this problem (at least in the short term), but somehow Israel is evil for deciding to implement one without kissing Hamas' ass first.
 
Just when you think you've seen it alll Hamas manages to brake another record of dishonesty

The military said its forces were shot at shortly after the two-hour truce, facilitated by the Red Cross, had begun at 1:30 pm, and that it had resumed combat operations. Hamas had no immediate comment on Israeli claims it had breached the ceasefire.

The IDF agreed to the ceasefire in the Saja'iyya neighborhood of eastern Gaza City after Hamas asked Israel for the lull in hostilities at around noon Sunday to rescue the wounded and retrieve the dead.
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IDF: Hamas fired on troops during two-hour humanitarian ceasefire it request... - Israel News, Ynetnews

So Hamas is asking a cease fire, Israel accepts and then Hamas fires rockets on Israel during the ceasefire.
 
Hamas and other factions there are dishonest and can't be trusted? Gosh, who woulda thought? Anyway, enough of the fake outrage. Only in some topsy turvy alice in wonderland type world where reality is turned completely on it's head, could you actually be surprised by this.

Back to scheduled programming, chop chop, onwards and upwards, killing is the business and business is good.
 
Serenity said:
Hamas and other factions there are dishonest and can't be trusted? Gosh, who woulda thought? Anyway, enough of the fake outrage. Only in some topsy turvy alice in wonderland type world where reality is turned completely on it's head, could you actually be surprised by this.

Back to scheduled programming, chop chop, onwards and upwards, killing is the business and business is good.
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Unlike previous cease fires this one was initiated by Hamas to allow evacuation of injured an dead from the streets.
 
ido_ said:
Unlike previous cease fires this one was initiated by Hamas to allow evacuation of injured an dead from the streets.
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They don't give a rats about that.

Deceased and injured are still scattered around Shejaiya waiting to be transported. The ICRC have been unable to get to everyone as a result of heavy fire. The destruction in Shejaiya is signficant and Shifa can't cope with the sheer number of casualties.

It's a terrible situation.
 
Serenity said:
They don't give a rats about that.

Deceased and injured are still scattered around Shejaiya waiting to be transported. The ICRC have been unable to get to everyone as a result of heavy fire. The destruction in Shejaiya is signficant and Shifa can't cope with the sheer number of casualties.

It's a terrible situation.
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IDF field hospital should be up and running at Erez crossing for Palestinians today, lets hope it'll help and that Hamas will not take advantage of that.
 
ido_ said:
IDF field hospital should be up and running at Erez crossing for Palestinians today, lets hope it'll help and that Hamas will not take advantage of that.
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It's a kind gesture and much appreciated. The difficulty will be for the injured to navigate their way to Erez as many of the closest residents (northern) evacuated quite a few days ago. Also difficult to not be concerned that Hamas and other factions won't take advantage of this.
 
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