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Donald Trump: the quintessential postmodern president?

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Postmodernism is a branch of philosophy that arose in the mid-20th century out of a strand of thought from the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche (who was writing toward the end of the 19th). Perhaps this sentiment is best captured and summarized in his phrase: "Against that positivism which stops before phenomena, saying "there are only facts," I should say: no, it is precisely facts that do not exist, only interpretations". What is more fundamental than truth is "the will to power". That comes first. The interpretations (IOW, facts) follow from that.

So postmodernism sees even something as pragmatically and uncannily successful and useful as science as just one more narrative among many; or perhaps just another locus of power, as Foucault would put it; or perhaps a narrative that is just sociologically arising out of particular agendas- not something that has any meaning or value in and of itself.

So in this world view, might makes right, not truth. Power is primary. It's a one-way street from power to declaring knowledge, not the other way around. It's not even a two-say street. If you have the power, you can create and dictate the truths, including scientific ones. This about what Nietzsche calls "the will to power" (though some may argue it might be a disorted understanding of what Nietzsche really meant- but many have done that, including the Nazis).

This may then explain how science comes under such intense assault under this world view: whether in climate change science, or the success of vaccines, or the biomedical research being done at the NIH, etc.... the scientific "facts" being discovered in these places are not valuable for their own sake; they are not even things to be respected or valued in and of themselves. Power comes first, and can then it dictates those facts. And Donald Trump now has the power. Science comes second and follows.

Even beyond science, it explains some of his declarations like that he knows more than the generals, the judges, the economists, and etc, etc.... Power is what it is all about. Once you have that, everything else follows. Facts that do not exist, only interpretations.

What do you think? Is Donald Trump the quintessential embodiment of postmodern philosophy?
 
Even beyond science, it explains some of his declarations like that he knows more than the generals, the judges, the economists, and etc, etc.... Power is what it is all about. Once you have that, everything else follows. Facts that do not exist, only interpretations.
He.s not a president, he's a king, a god. Of course he knows more than anyone else.
 
He won 312 votes in the US electoral college compared with Harris's 226, that's a landslide victory.
Simply the way the Electoral College works. He still got less than 50% of the votes cast for president.
 
How did your party bungle it so badly they let this demonic man win?
 
Assuming this is directed to me:

First, not my party.

Second, the Democrats suck.
It was directed towards the folks ranting and raving about how terrible Trump is. If he was nearly as horrible as they claim they would have easily won.
 
It was directed towards the folks ranting and raving about how terrible Trump is. If he was nearly as horrible as they claim they would have easily won.

If thats an illustration of your 'logic'....lmmfao.
 
An interesting thread by the OP that’s immediately shitted up by the most banal partisan shit flinging imaginable.

This website sometimes man.
 
How did your party bungle it so badly they let this demonic man win?

Thats' just a reflection of the American people- just like the Taliban is a reflection of the Afghan people, the Islamic Republic is a reflection of the Iranian people, etc... Those regimes are what the people passionately fought for and want. People get what they deserve.

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An interesting thread by the OP that’s immediately shitted up by the most banal partisan shit flinging imaginable.

This website sometimes man.

There are very few people interested in philosophy, I think- which is too bad. I think the world would be a better place if people were a little more introspective.
 
There are very few people interested in philosophy, I think- which is too bad. I think the world would be a better place if people were a little more introspective.

I might be cynical, but I think it's just a lack of intelligence. American politics is just Real Housewives for midwits.

To touch on your OP though, I think you present a couple of different concepts which are interesting on their own, but don't necessarily glue together at least in my view.

First point is that I don't think postmodernism reduces everything to power if that's your meaning. If that's the case, then how can postmodernists criticize power? Doesn't that imply some higher standard of truth beyond power? Second, I think figures like Foucalt were just looking at power analogically by viewing how truth is structured in society. He and Nietzsche aren't really saying that power = truth.

Third, and I may be misunderstanding, but I don't view Trump as being very Nietzschean. I can kind of see where you're going with power wielded pragmatically and a rejection of conventional morality, but Trump (and MAGA more broadly) embody the very opposite of Nietzsche's concept of ressentiment. Trump's reactionary framing of always being victimized is kind of the total opposite from what the Übermensch would do, since what the Übermensch proposes is always progressive in thought and transcends this kind of low agency whining. More broadly I think MAGA's positioning as a reactionary movement kind of totally invalidates it from being considered truly Nietzschean.

If there's any prescient philosophy here it's going to be from the works of Carl Schmitt and his commentary on the friend-enemy distinction. The current partisan political atmosphere really is a perfect synthesis of this in a way that the United States probably hasn't seen since the Civil War.
 
Winning sides through the ages: (notice the YUUUUGE passionate enthusiastic crowds!)

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Gunpoint causes a lot of enthusiasm.
 
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