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Donald Trump Gets Impeached, 63 Canadians Die

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Used the title of the article as the thread title.

Donald Trump gets impeached—63 Canadians die - Macleans.ca

Question: valid?

Acknowledging at the start of this that I might get kicked out of my own thread at some point on this one.

Edit: Please, if you chose to respond, indicate if you read the entire article or not.
 
So youre gonna blame Trump for Iran shooting down a Ukrainian airliner with Canucks in it? That is moronic. You might as well blame the Serbians for starting WW2 since it was a Serbian assassin who killed Franz Ferdinand to bring about WW1, and so on.

This is all on the Iranians. If they put their anti-air defenses on alert, then they should have issued a warning for all the airlines in their airspace.
 
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If Trump had not selected the most escalatory option provided him by the US military, 179 passengers on UIA flight PS752 would still be alive.

When General James Mattis was the SecDef, he instructed Pentagon subordinates to never present Trump with a retaliatory option that could lead to war.
 

**** that. Had Trump acted with one iota of restraint, or even bothered to include his ****ing allies in his little "I wanna be president again" strike, those people would not have been there.

And also, **** that, because the America / Iran beef goes back all the way to the 50's, when American idiots started this ****.
 
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And no amount of dumb, right wing comments is going to change that. And there is no denying it, it was the direct result of the tense military. But right wingers minds are so simple, they don't understand how some events lead to others.
 
I read the article, and though it contains factual information, it is an Opinion piece, and that title is most definitely click bait.
While Soleimani was a murderous enemy of America, the same can be said by the Iranians about Trump. If I were him, or anyone in his cabinet, I'd be looking up from here on out.
 

I promise you, this means far more than clickbait up here at the moment. And the opinion is the story.
 

Oh, so the Iranians arent to blame? This is silly and you know it. Who fired the missile again?
 
PoS said:
Oh, so the Iranians arent to blame? This is silly and you know it. Who fired the missile again?
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That's kind of the point, though. Had Trump not acted like a drunken hillbilly, those people would still be alive. Prove me wrong.
 
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That's kind of the point, though. Had Trump not acted like a drunken hillbilly, those people would still be alive. Prove me wrong.
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YOU ARE WRONG. Again, simple question- who fired the missile?

When you can figure that out, then you know who is to blame for the killing of your countrymen.
 

I read the article. Its just another CNN counter part story. Filled with assumptions and innuendo to attack Trump. But I do love how other countries media like to make accusations from the cheap seats while conveniently overlooking the obvious or getting involved.

With that being said it wouldn't be fair to hold Canada or its residents responsible for a lopsided account of some reporters theory and/or opinion. Now would it.

I guess people get lost in their own little worlds and just refuse to make a solid judgement based on the reality of their surroundings. Why this commercial airliner was allowed to fly in that airspace at that time or why anyone would even get on that plane at that time is beyond my ability to understand.
 

Here's the thing. The action of shooting down the plane is ENTIRELY on Iran. Period. Did they do it intentionally? No, I don't think they did. But their DIRECT action caused the downing of the plane.

You say if Trump hadn't killed the general, than they wouldn't have been on alert. Well that is true in a sense, but let's take that a step farther back. If the general hadn't been involved with the killing of Americans, would Trump have ordered the general killed? See where I am going with this? Actions have reactions. And those actions are due to past reactions probably from even further past actions. It's an endless cycle.

We deal with the now and the now is, Iran is responsible for downing of the jet.
 
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YOU ARE WRONG. Again, simple question- who fired the missile?

When you can figure that out, then you know who is to blame for the killing of your countrymen.
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No, you are wrong. Your president acted unilaterally, assassinating a foreign general in a nation whose culture demands retaliation, without informing any of his allies, so they could get out of the way. Because of his gross negligence and incompetence, America's allies had no chance to get their people out of what would be an active war zone, and their plane got shot down as a result. Had he acted properly, they would have been gone. Had he acted properly, we could all shake our heads in sad regret. Or question why those folks were over there, when they had been warned. But they had not. They were fleeing. Because Donald Trump is an incompetent sociopath.

When you can figure that out, then you know who is to blame for killing my countrymen. And women. And children.
 

Trump's actions aside, Iran made a critical mistake shooting down a civilian airplane. I doubt that they intended to shoot it down knowingly, as I think they might've assumed it was something else. I think this tragedy may be the reason why Iran has backed off from escalating any further post-missile launch.

Rest in peace to all of those that lost their lives. It's a damn shame.
 

I read the entire article.

Typical Trump hate.

The article wants to blame Trump, but identifies the action that started the whole chain (according to the writer): "Consider this. On Dec. 18, the U.S. House of Representatives impeaches the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump."

This means it wasn't Trump's fault, but the fault of the House Dems, since they were the only ones who voted for articles of impeachment.

But the writer is wrong about that. The chain of events that lead to 63 Canadians dying was this: "Then, on Dec. 27, while the president is still in Florida, a rocket attack hits an Iraqi military base in Kirkuk. It kills an American contractor, Nawres Hamid. U.S. officials blame Kataib Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia."

This was a military action by terrorists who are armed, funded and controlled by Iran. It is Iran who started the chain of events. Not Trump.

But even worse that this dishonesty is this claim by the writer:


At best, this is a figment of the writer's Trump-hating imagination. At worse, this is an outright lie designed to influence the low info reader.

Remember that writer's name, folks...Scott Gilmore...and don't ever believe a word he says.
 

Oh for chrissake, your logic has more holes than a slab of Swiss cheese. Youre basically saying that Iran can shoot and kill anybody they want, and it'll always be Trump's fault. Don't you know how ludicrous that sounds? :doh:roll:
 

So, if I'm texting and driving, I swerve, causing another car to swerve to attempt to save themselves from my ****ty driving, and they get into a head on collision with with another car as a result, killing the other driver, I am in no way responsible?

Let's look at it another way. An Iranian general was indirectly responsible for the death of one American, so he was killed. How many Iranians would be dead if they were indirectly responsible for 63 American dead?

The here and now is that we have Canadians dying due to American hawkishness and incompetence, and an Iranian missile that was fired in response to that. That's the here and now.
 
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Oh for chrissake, your logic has more holes than a slab of Swiss cheese. Youre basically saying that Iran can shoot and kill anybody they want, and it'll always be Trump's fault. Don't you know how ludicrous that sounds? :doh:roll:
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That's not what I'm saying, but nice try. I'm talking about THIS situation. The chain of events have been laid out for you. If my logic has more holes than a slab of Swiss cheese, it should be easy for you to prove me wrong. Waiting.
 
PoS said:
Oh for chrissake, your logic has more holes than a slab of Swiss cheese. Youre basically saying that Iran can shoot and kill anybody they want, and it'll always be Trump's fault. Don't you know how ludicrous that sounds? :doh:roll:
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yup we took out one Iranian terrorist general who was planning to make attacks, and coordinating attacks IN IRAQ, and now anything they do is Trump's fault because of it.


great logic.
 

Why wasn't more than one airplane attacked since the missile warning system was activated? Was the missile warning system just protecting Tehran? Wouldn't it be more likely the Iranians would activate (more than one) missile warning system throughout Iran? Was the flight to the Ukraine the only flight in the air around Tehran? The only flight in the air in Iran?
 

I think you're absolutely correct. 63 dead Canadians bought peace...or at least a de escalation. Along with 82 Iranians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three British nationals.

But this is impossible to discuss this with Trump's actions set aside.
 

ask the Iranians?
 
OlNate said:
I promise you, this means far more than clickbait up here at the moment. And the opinion is the story.
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Oh, I agree that actions create an atmosphere that can lead to a myriad of possible consequences. As the article lays out, this was a series of reprisals back and forth. Are you saying the U.S. should not have retaliated for any of the Iranian actions?
 
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