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DOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizenship

RaleBulgarian said:
Pretty sure there has to be some type of criminal behavior involved.
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**** THAT SHIT!

AMERICANS ARE AMERICANS!​
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**** TAKING AWAY AMERICANS' CITIZENSHIP!​
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**** EVERYONE WHO COMES AFTER AMERICANS!​


You are asking for Americans to become second class citizens.

Trumpco is already slavering to do horrible things to non-citizens.


as plain as dogshit on a shoe,
There is zero chance that opening the door to declaring Americans not Americans will end well.​
 
Gatsby said:
Once you've accepted the principle that American citizenship is always tenuous and can be revoked, then there's no limiting principle that will restrict it those people. If you want to denaturalize people committed of heinous crimes, why would you be concerned about denaturalizing people convicted of petty crimes? What about people who just stir up trouble but don't break the law?

American citizenship, once granted, is nearly irrevocable. The only exceptions are people who committed immigration fraud to get their citizenship, and even then it's extremely rare in practice and only done when the fraud would have affected the citizenship decision. Aside from those extremely rare cases, there's no crime that an American citizen can commit to lose their citizenship. And that's probably for the best, given the ugly history that many other nations have with denaturalizing their citizens.
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**** YEAH!

**** THOSE ****ING ****ERS!

**** EVERYONE WHO COMES AFTER AMERICANS!​
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I understand where you’re coming from, but reject the proposition that citizenship for naturalized Americans is, or will become “tenuous”.
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You must be able to throW Trumpco a far piece to be so trusting of THE GUY WHO CALLED FOR TERMINATING THE US CONSTITUTION.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
The article is about the DOJ announcement that they intend to denaturalize Americans.

It's in the OP.
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did you read it ?


the OP says

Now this piece of shit adminstration are looking to denaturalize citizens. WHY
I have zero doubts they will use this to go after anyone that doesn't support Israel or is very much a dissedent against the Trump admin. IS THAT WHAT IS SAYS ?
Looking at if they try it with Mamdani like some GOP scum want to do. DOES HE MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS

all fear mongering what-ifs and maybe's and Trump hate

from the article

At least one person has already been denaturalized in recent weeks. On June 13, a judge ordered the revocation of the citizenship of Elliott Duke, who uses they/them pronouns. Duke is an American military veteran originally from the U.K. who was convicted for distributing child sexual abuse material — something they later admitted they were doing prior to becoming a U.S. citizen.

ok so we know it happens anyway BEFORE this bill, right ?

It's meant to strip citizenship from those who may have lied about their criminal convictions or membership in illegal groups like the Nazi party, or communists during McCarthyism, on their citizenship applications.

I mean why wouldn't that be sensible ?

According to this new memo, the DOJ is expanding its criteria of which crimes put individuals at risk of losing their citizenship. That includes national security violations and committing acts of fraud against individuals or against the government, like Paycheck Protection Program loan fraud or Medicaid or Medicare fraud.

again ... do the crimes, pay the prices for it. Don't be a criminal

That is, until the Obama administration, which used new digital tools to find potential cases of naturalization fraud going back decades. Under Operation Janus, an initiative launched by immigration and justice officials in the Obama era, they claimed a national security interest in examining potential cases of immigration fraud that could be tied to terrorism.

Obama did it too - Democrats and Republicans were ok with it




so .... why the Trump hate in trying to make the USA safer ?????
 
Guess who also removed citizenship from citizens? Happened in the 1930s... just saying!
 


This is not someone that respects:

The law.

Human rights.

Democracy.

Decency.

Or anything for that matter.

And I’m telling you now, these are not the words of someone who intends to give up power.
 
Who Is Jesus Christ? | Redemption of Humanity — Christian Ministry
 
You know, he wants us all registered in one big government file.

For our safety.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
You must be able to throW Trumpco a far piece to be so trusting of THE GUY WHO CALLED FOR TERMINATING THE US CONSTITUTION.
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I don’t “must” anything, and as every single comment I’ve ever posted related to Traitor Trump very clearly indicates, I have no trust whatsoever for Traitor Trump or anyone aligned with him.

In fact, I completely distrust every word that escapes his orange blowhole.
Simon W. Moon said:
**** THAT SHIT!

AMERICANS ARE AMERICANS!​
​
**** TAKING AWAY AMERICANS' CITIZENSHIP!​
​
**** EVERYONE WHO COMES AFTER AMERICANS!​


You are asking for Americans to become second class citizens.

Trumpco is already slavering to do horrible things to non-citizens.


as plain as dogshit on a shoe,
There is zero chance that opening the door to declaring Americans not Americans will end well.​
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Take a slow breath, @Simon W. Moon.

On second thought, take a bunch of slow breaths and get a grip on yourself.
Simon W. Moon said:
How far can you throw the Trump Admin?​
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I wish I could throw him all the way to Russia.


Seriously, if you’re capable of having an objective fact/reality based discussion, feel free to post to me.

Otherwise, save your rants for someone else, because I’ve no interest in responding to them.
 
stealthycat said:
did you read it ?
the OP says
Now this piece of shit adminstration are looking to denaturalize citizens. WHY
I have zero doubts they will use this to go after anyone that doesn't support Israel or is very much a dissedent against the Trump admin. IS THAT WHAT IS SAYS ?
Looking at if they try it with Mamdani like some GOP scum want to do. DOES HE MEET THE QUALIFICATIONS
all fear mongering what-ifs and maybe's and Trump hate
from the article
At least one person has already been denaturalized in recent weeks. On June 13, a judge ordered the revocation of the citizenship of Elliott Duke, who uses they/them pronouns. Duke is an American military veteran originally from the U.K. who was convicted for distributing child sexual abuse material — something they later admitted they were doing prior to becoming a U.S. citizen.
ok so we know it happens anyway BEFORE this bill, right ?
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what bill?

the article in the OP is about a memo where the DOJ outlines new priorities

maybe we're having two different conversations

stealthycat said:
It's meant to strip citizenship from those who may have lied about their criminal convictions or membership in illegal groups like the Nazi party, or communists during McCarthyism, on their citizenship applications.
I mean why wouldn't that be sensible ?
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the "it" here is the mysterious bill you are referring to?


stealthycat said:
According to this new memo, the DOJ is expanding its criteria of which crimes put individuals at risk of losing their citizenship. That includes national security violations and committing acts of fraud against individuals or against the government, like Paycheck Protection Program loan fraud or Medicaid or Medicare fraud.

again ... do the crimes, pay the prices for it. Don't be a criminal
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feel free to pretend people are trying to prevent criminals from facing justice all you like
but pretending that ain't helping nothing, tho

the point is that this "price" endangers American liberty


stealthycat said:
That is, until the Obama administration, which used new digital tools to find potential cases of naturalization fraud going back decades. Under Operation Janus, an initiative launched by immigration and justice officials in the Obama era, they claimed a national security interest in examining potential cases of immigration fraud that could be tied to terrorism.

Obama did it too - Democrats and Republicans were ok with it
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1st,
If the new DOJ memo is the same-ol same-ol, then there would not be a memo​

2nd,
The memo itself indicates that it is about CHANGES to priorities.​
pretending this is all about things remaining the same is something you can do​
but pretending that ain't helping no one, tho​

stealthycat said:
so .... why the Trump hate in trying to make the USA safer ?????
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The guy who wants to TERMINATE THE US CONSITITUTION has
ARMED GANGS OF ANONYMOUS THUGS ROAM THE STREETS TAKING PEOPLE AWAY

to you, that is safer

that's a ****ing whacked way of seeing safety

Does your view on "safety" come from being so trusting of politicians?



.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I don’t “must” anything, and as every single comment I’ve ever posted related to Traitor Trump very clearly indicates, I have no trust whatsoever for Traitor Trump or anyone aligned with him.
In fact, I completely distrust every word that escapes his orange blowhole.
Take a slow breath, @Simon W. Moon.
On second thought, take a bunch of slow breaths and get a grip on yourself.
I wish I could throw him all the way to Russia.
Seriously, if you’re capable of having an objective fact/reality based discussion, feel free to post to me.
Otherwise, save your rants for someone else, because I’ve no interest in responding to them.
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lol

You stated you had faith.

RaleBulgarian said:
I understand where you’re coming from, but reject the proposition that citizenship for naturalized Americans is, or will become “tenuous”.
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Who exactly are you trusting to keep Trumpco from ignoring laws and continuing in their attempts to terminate the US Constitution?


Who is your faith in?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
what bill?

the article in the OP is about a memo where the DOJ outlines new priorities

maybe we're having two different conversations



the "it" here is the mysterious bill you are referring to?




feel free to pretend people are trying to prevent criminals from facing justice all you like
but pretending that ain't helping nothing, tho

the point is that this "price" endangers American liberty




1st,
If the new DOJ memo is the same-ol same-ol, then there would not be a memo​

2nd,
The memo itself indicates that it is about CHANGES to priorities.​
pretending this is all about things remaining the same is something you can do​
but pretending that ain't helping no one, tho​



The guy who wants to TERMINATE THE US CONSITITUTION has
ARMED GANGS OF ANONYMOUS THUGS ROAM THE STREETS TAKING PEOPLE AWAY

to you, that is safer

that's a ****ing whacked way of seeing safety

Does your view on "safety" come from being so trusting of politicians?



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wasn't that all included in the BBB ??? maybe I am confusing the two
 
Bonnot said:

Now this piece of shit adminstration are looking to denaturalize citizens.

I have zero doubts they will use this to go after anyone that doesn't support Israel or is very much a dissedent against the Trump admin.


Looking at if they try it with Mamdani like some GOP scum want to do.

Obama gave way to Trump expanding upon this in his first term.
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'denaturalization' can only happen when someone is naturalized, and there was a material lie/fraud in the naturalization process. It has to be pretty flagrant. It cannot be used because of someone's political beliefs, and does not apply to natural born citizens. I suspect that in most cases the DOJ is focused on the primary offense, and just doesn't prioritize starting another judicial process to denaturalize someone.

Again, it only applies to someone who has been naturalized, and they have to prove some type of intentional fraud/deception in the process. While it's kind of a middle finger to the individual for lying, there is a cost/benefit aspect to consider. It appears the policy has now changed.

In the example noted, the person was CONVICTED for distributing child sexual abuse material, and admitted to doing it prior to becoming a citizen. It doesn't say.... but I'm assuming it was related to some type of affidavit that the person isn't committing any crimes when they apply.

At least one person has already been denaturalized in recent weeks. On June 13, a judge ordered the revocation of the citizenship of Elliott Duke, who uses they/them pronouns. Duke is an American military veteran originally from the U.K. who was convicted for distributing child sexual abuse material — something they later admitted they were doing prior to becoming a U.S. citizen.
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It's not a 'new thing' - and requires a court process. Do you just object to it in general terms, or that it's going to be prioritized in cases like the one above?
 
“The DOJ filed a legal case against Duke back in February of this year in Louisiana seeking Duke's denaturalization based both on the conviction for child sexual abuse material and the failure to disclose their crimes during the naturalization process.”

If that’s the hill Democrats want to die on.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
You stated you had faith.
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No, I didn’t.
Simon W. Moon said:
Who exactly are you trusting to keep Trumpco from ignoring laws and continuing in their attempts to terminate the US Constitution?
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“Trust” is a significant word to me. I don’t place trust in anyone that I don’t know, or know anything about, so answering your overly broad question isn’t possible.
Simon W. Moon said:
Who is your faith in?
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Again, I haven’t said I have faith.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
No, I didn’t.

“Trust” is a significant word to me. I don’t place trust in anyone that I don’t know, or know anything about, so answering your overly broad question isn’t possible.

Again, I haven’t said I have faith.
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w/e — stated v implied

Your quotes (which I re-posted) demonstrated that you are willing to trust Trumpco to behave with powers they will abuse.

I could quote you to yourself again if you like

But you have seemed reluctant to address your post.
 
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