12? There's no way.
My (real as tested by professionals, not some fly by night internet thing) IQ is in the high 140s to mid 150s (multiple tests over a few years), I am more than capable of making these types of decisions at an earlier stage in my life than most people are.
Around the age of 12, I heard this guy ranting and raving about how inflation is a hidden tax and how the federal reserve is owned by the Rothchild family. I didn't know anything about the mechanics of inflation or the federal reserve, but I did kow that the guy sounded like a maniac.
Never really thought of those issues again until I was in college.
Impossible. Your profile says you live in the "deep south". Everyone knows that we ain't nothing but ignorant rednecks.
Why not post the 'Rules for Radicals' for comparative purposes?
Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
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http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals
A few of our posters seem to think that anyone to the left of Ronald Reagan is a acolyte of Saul Alinksy. Has the writings, work, or anything that Saul Alinsky did at any point in his life from his birth to his death influenced your beliefs in any way at all?
I suppose the next poll should be: "Do you hold all the same exact views today that you hold in High School or College?"
I guess some conservatives do, thus its unfathomable to them that anyone else might not.:roll:
:shrug: you asked who had heard of him, suggesting that he was unimportant, or a bogeyman glenn beck had conjured up. It's worth pointing out that, in fact, many of the leading names on the left did indeed study him and his methodology at some length.
It would also be worth noting that many of the leading names of the right did indeed study his methodology at some length.
It certainly would. But I think not until recently?
I doubt that just recently would be true, but I cannot prove it. Alinsky is notable as some one who was good at organizing. Political wonks study things like that. It would be foolish not to in fact.
:shrug: you asked who had heard of him, suggesting that he was unimportant, or a bogeyman glenn beck had conjured up. It's worth pointing out that, in fact, many of the leading names on the left did indeed study him and his methodology at some length.
It certainly would. But I think not until recently?
I don't know. I can't think of many examples popping up, like it is possible to list off for those on the left.
Right around the Contract with America.
Why not post the 'Rules for Radicals' for comparative purposes?
Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
snip
http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activism/saul-alinskys-12-rules-for-radicals
Good example actually. When referring to Gingrich, I was more thinking the GOPAC tapes, but yours works well, and is much better known.
The "never speak ill of another republican" and gingrich's "power words" list are both cynical manipulations.
If your side never criticizes itself, and the other side does, it must mean your side is actually right and there isn't just a ban on criticizing each other on your side.
I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.Interesting but Ill bet those who influenced you were in fact influenced by Alinsky. Theres nothing new under the son.
I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.
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