Does the Liberterian Party have what it takes?

[DianaWe]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?
Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

 

[joG]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?
Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

You mean with a libertarian at the helm?

 

[DianaWe]

Yes..

You mean with a libertarian at the helm?

 

[chuckiechan]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?
Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

If they come up with a better candidate, maybe. Johnson is too much of a lightweight.

And of course the Republicans will stage a coup and execute everyone who is not white, Christian and Republican, so it really doesn't matter what the libertarians do. Does that answer your question?

And should it go mainstream, it will have to be nothing like it is today.

 

[DianaWe]

Clearly put. Thank you!

If they come up with a better candidate, maybe. Johnson is too much of a lightweight.

And of course the Republicans will stage a coup and execute everyone who is not white, Christian and Republican, so it really doesn't matter what the libertarians do. Does that answer your question?

And should it go mainstream, it will have to be nothing like it is today.

 

[Master PO]

most people don't have what it takes to be a libertarian, because they want laws to be created to suit their personal ideology..

being a libertarian means you stand for all rights and don't care about being PC

 

[Kobie]

Libertarianism is basically horoscopes for men.

 

[PeteEU]

most people don't have what it takes to be a libertarian, because they want laws to be created to suit their personal ideology..

being a libertarian means you stand for all rights and don't care about being PC

Unless you are not white, christian and not male of course...

Libertarians .. well American version at least, are nothing but GOP with another name.

 

[Master PO]

Unless you are not white, christian and not male of course...

Libertarians .. well American version at least, are nothing but GOP with another name.

wrong! libertarianism has nothing to do with race, religion, so you need yo stop with the silliness

libertarians, do not believe in going out and getting involved in the affairs of other nations, the republicans have be famous for doing this, and now the democrats are doing it to.

being a libertarian means you stand for all rights and don't care about being PC

 

[Abbazorkzog]

In short: no. The founders warned us about political parties. I hope political parties become a thing of the past.

 

[reinoe]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?
Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

Not with Gary Johnson at the helm it doesn't. It's too bad because his resume is good but he's a basket-case.

 

[MrPeanut]

The Libertarian party had its best shot this year. If Weld was at the helm people might pay attention to it. I agree with everyone saying Johnson is just a train wreck. He is essentially Jeb Bush without the connections. The main problem I see in the party is the nomination process. It was an absolute joke. If you watch the Libertarian debates Johnson looked absolutely stellar in comparison to everyone else that ran.

 

[Master PO]

In short: no. The founders warned us about political parties. I hope political parties become a thing of the past.

correct, however i dont see that happening

 

[Abbazorkzog]

correct, however i dont see that happening

Like I said, I hope.

 

[Fletch]

Unless you are not white, christian and not male of course...

Libertarians .. well American version at least, are nothing but GOP with another name.

Are you as caustic toward civil libertarians who largely populate the left? Or have you just never bothered to figured out the link between the two?

 

[Brewdog]

I wish Ron Paul hadn't been to old to run this year. It was the best year for a third party. And I like Gary, but he keeps sabotaging his campaign with silly stuff. And I tend not to like some of Gary's views.

Ron Paul is logical and a true statesman. And he was our last hope for fixing the USA.

 

[Clapton is God]

Are you as caustic toward civil libertarians who largely populate the left? Or have you just never bothered to figured out the link between the two?

Libertarian was a word coined by a communist in the 1800s. At the time it represented freedom from the forces of capital. No one can deny the contribution civil libertarians have contributed to America. The ACLU has probably done more for American freedom than anyone else. From the Palmer Raids to the Patriot Act: The Fight for Free Speech in America by Christopher Finan is a great book that documents much of the history. I've been heavily involved with the ACLU at points in time, but it is much more moderate as a whole than it used to be.
Depending on whether you believe property should be privately owned or owned communally will determine what side of the libertarian spectrum you fall on. I think either some form of anarchism on the left similiar to the ideas of Murray Bookchin and others, anarcho-syndicalism in Catalonia, Spain in the 1930s, or even a little of what's hapening in Rojava right now is taking libertarianism to it's logical conclusion. If you're a strict property rights guy in line with the thinking of Ludwig Von Mises or Murray Rothbard you're probably going to lean in that direction, but at some point you need organization so you don't end up loading "16 Tons" and still owing your soul to the company store because the property owners own the schools, stores, and everything.
The bottom line for me is centralization of power in any structure whether it be private or government is a threat to human liberty.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

Right now...no. They can't seem to agree on what their platform stands on. They're too disorganized.

 

[Visbek]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?

Define "legitimate"

Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

Nope. Not even close.

Deep questions indeed

 

[Ontologuy]

Do you think the GOP will hold legitimate elections come 2020?
Does the Liberterian party have what it takes, on a practical level to, to be the party of the future?

In regard to your second question, no. The Libertarian party has too narrow an appeal.

The libertarian ideology appeals to young, white, single, childless males, those who want freedom, freedom, freedom, at the expense of security, and who have an edge over other races in the free market.

I once read that over 90% of Libertarian Party members are male.

The libertarian ideology places freedom (and thus liberty) over security (and thus justice). This liberty over justice perspective does not play well with those who have a need for family safety, such as with married mothers and grandmothers over 35 of all races .. and the husbands who love them.

As to your first question, the GOP will have to move toward the center from the right for it to be a player again, which isn't likely. Though the Dems are about the same distance from the center on the left, the ever-growing lower class at the expense of the middle class has people worried, and the Dems make the pie-in-the-sky bread and circuses promises pandering for votes that the Repubs. won't make.

The Dems are on their way toward dominance, especially if President Clinton awards citizenship to the approximately 22 million illegal aliens during her first 100 days as she's "hinted", which would be an egregious miscarriage of justice.

But that doesn't mean that's good for America, as these leftists will attempt to turn the U.S. into a socialist country, which will mean a considerable lowering of the standard of living for most.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

In short: no. The founders warned us about political parties. I hope political parties become a thing of the past.

Ironic how two of the founders, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, were part of the driving forces behind creating the two party system.

 

[Fishking]

If they come up with a better candidate, maybe. Johnson is too much of a lightweight.

And of course the Republicans will stage a coup and execute everyone who is not white, Christian and Republican, so it really doesn't matter what the libertarians do. Does that answer your question?

And should it go mainstream, it will have to be nothing like it is today.

Funny say this considering that the presidential field for Republicans is usually pretty diverse.

 

[Fishking]

Unless you are not white, christian and not male of course...

Libertarians .. well American version at least, are nothing but GOP with another name.

You obviously have no clue to what you are speaking.

 

[Fishking]

I wish Ron Paul hadn't been to old to run this year. It was the best year for a third party. And I like Gary, but he keeps sabotaging his campaign with silly stuff. And I tend not to like some of Gary's views.

Ron Paul is logical and a true statesman. And he was our last hope for fixing the USA.

Ron Paul was great and did a pretty good job showing up the main-party Republicans. He had a solid and consistent history and knew his stuff.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Ironic how two of the founders, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, were part of the driving forces behind creating the two party system.

Washington (George) got it right

The first President of the United States got it right. In his farewell address George Washington warned of the "continual mischiefs of the spirit of party" making it the "interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it." In other words, he cautioned against the dangers of political parties.

Founding Fathers did not anticipate or desire the existence of political parties, viewing them as "factions" dangerous to the public interest
Founders' republican ideology called for subordination of narrow interests to the general welfare of the community
Under republican ideology, politics was supposed to be rational and collaborative, not competitive