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CanadianGuy said:Oh sorry. What I meant was what was your point how does this affect us today with laws a regulations and so on and so forth.
laska said:I really see no conflict. I guess if a terrorist was opening fire on a kindergarten, we should just let it happen. I do not think this is what Christ means. Mercy cannot rob justice or it is not merciful. We should love our enemies though, and turn the cheek when it comes to our own honor and so forth, but this does not mean no protection against the innocent. Just common sense.
He'd probably get himself nailed to another cross so that the terrorist, seeing Jesus' sacrifice, would repent, be forgiven for slaughtering the kinder, and get his ass into heaven. The children, being too young to have willfully accepted Christ as their saviour, would burn for being the unworthy heathens that they are. Sound about right?Gandhi>Bush said:What do you think Jesus would do if he saw a terrorist unloading his AK47 on a kindergarden class? Do you think he pull out his glock and "put a cap in his ass?"
The Book of Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Torah (Hebrew=Instruction) - Pentateuch (Greek=Five Volumes). The compendium of these five books is considered the body of the Old Testament.Ghandi>Bush said:I think that they certianly do.
For instance:
Deuteronomy 7: 1-4
or Deuteronomy 20:10-18
Matthew 5:38-48
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
leejosepho said:In the above, there is no conflict between what the Father and the Son have said and/or done -- confusion, when it exists, is only between our ears!
What we have in the above is an excellent argument against any form of Zionism -- it is not the duty of man to straighten all things out.
leejosepho said:In the above, there is no conflict between what the Father and the Son have said and/or done -- confusion, when it exists, is only between our ears!
What we have in the above is an excellent argument against any form of Zionism -- it is not the duty of man to straighten all things out.
leejosepho said:... there is no conflict between what the Father and the Son have said and/or done ...
What we have in [Matthew 5:38-48] is an excellent argument against any form of Zionism -- it is not the duty of man to straighten all things out.
vergiss said:If you want to look at it like that, then it's an argument against any form of gaol, as well. :lol:
Don't apply your dogma to my religion. Thanks.
Gandhi>Bush said:I don't quite follow what you're trying to say.
laska said:I think that those nations that were in the land of Promise when the Israelites arrived had become so corrupt and hardened in their ways and the cultures had become such cesspools (child sacrifice, etc.) that future generations born into those societies would not have a chance to be virtuous, their agency to choose between good and evil would be severely hampered by the traditions of their fathers. When this is the case, the justice of God comes down in behalf of the souls yet unborn.
Tashah said:I cannot in good conscience totally abide in any particular theology that sanctions violence or promotes violence as a legitimate means to an end.
CanadianGuy said:Well can I ad they can't [conflict -] the tachings of jesus are god's.
laska said:... We should love our enemies ... and turn the cheek when it comes to our own honor and so forth, but this does not mean no protection [for] the innocent. Just common sense.
Gandhi>Bush said:What do you think Jesus would do if he saw a terrorist unloading his AK47 on a kindergarden class? Do you think he pull out his glock and "put a cap in his ass?"
9TH said:The children, being too young to have willfully accepted Christ as their saviour, would burn for being the unworthy heathens that they are. Sound about right?
Gandhi>Bush said:Each man should work out his own salvation. --Buddha
leejosepho said:No, it would more likely be a head shot.
"... with fear and trembling, for it is Elohim who is working in you both to desire and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13).
Gandhi>Bush said:Do you truly believe that? Jesus would shoot a man in the head? No self-sacrifice there, just put a bullet in his head and call it a day?
Gandhi>Bush said:I don't see the relevance to what Buddha said.
leejosepho said:No, I did not say it was not the duty of man to carry out established sentences for criminals. And, I do not even know what is your religion.
leejosepho said:No, not literally, but I said that in contrast to the idea that The Messiah might only go jump upon another stake to try to get the man's attention.
Hypotheticals can easily lead to trouble ... yet I can easily believe He *might* have remained silent toward Peter about his sword this time ... or at least that He would have sent/expected somebody to call the police and some ambulances.
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