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It depends on the relation. Poverty in Africa is hardly Poverty in Michigan.Just curious of everyones opinions of the "Western Influence" and what your thoughts on a capitalism form of society are?
Please explain why you like it or dislike it and if you have any better ideas on how to govern a country please elaborate...
It depends on the relation. Poverty in Africa is hardly Poverty in Michigan.
Free exchange has been the single largest contributor, to bringing people out of poverty, more than anything else.
Nope, people are different. Some people don't get jealous, some do. some rob others, some don't. Some want to interact, some don't.Is there a way to ensure no poverty and a way to somehow get everyone in a society to connect....and not want to rob out of jealousy???
That's not what he's asking and I'd counter that education has brought far more people out of poverty than 'free exchange'. He's asking whether it forces a percentage of the population to live in poverty and it most certainly does. Some kid in Bangladesh needs to be paid $20 a month so that some fat kid in the U.S. can get clothes at Wal-Mart for $4.99. From the beginning of capitalist history somebody has had to accept crappy wagers so that a commodity exists for somebody else.
Nope, people are different. Some people don't get jealous, some do. some rob others, some don't. Some want to interact, some don't.
Perhaps true...but hard to tell for sure unless a few generations balanced out and all had an equal piece of society and an equal piece of the pie.......I say a few generations because that is what it would take to lose the mentalities to be jealous and want to rob, etc...
Really, so people wouldn't get jealous of immaterial things like looks, love, intellect, etc.
Don't bet on it.
What you're proposing is utopian communism.
Someone will always want more of something and you can't control it all.
:lol:
Ok either the kid in Bangladesh gets nothing or he gets $20 a month.
You make the choice as to which is superior.
Education is meaningless really because people will seek the maximum education they need to meet their motivation level.
Just giving more education does not equate to ending poverty.
Which people are living in more poverty because of capitalism?
And yet that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Please step out of your capitalist cheer leading clothes for ONE SECOND and realize what is being said. Does free trade force a percentage of the population to live in poverty. Being paid $20 a month does not mean you get out of poverty. It means you get just enough to feed yourself. Nothing else. And that is by 'conservative' standards of what you'd need to feed yourself in impoverished countries. Which is about $1 a day but lets say he makes $30 instead of $20. Now what does working just so you can feed yourself mean to you? It means you are stuck in a cycle of trying to accumulate just enough wealth to survive. Thus my argument that capitalism does force some people to stay poor. Obviously if you only make enough money through the day to eat, you're not going to want to go to school or get a higher certification because you simply don't have the time. That is what is being argued here.
That is so ridiculous it's not even funny. The formula is very simple: higher level of education > more opportunities > more money
Most of Africa, the non-coastal areas of China, the majority of India etc. Seriously. Travel the world a little.
You bring some good points....I was focused on monetary values....
So if these capitalist jobs do not exist, what will these people do to feed themselves?
Education does not necessarily increase your earning ability.
This recession has more white collar workers than blue collar workers.
Has their education hurt or helped them?
What has essentially happened in the U.S. is that we over educate, the high school diploma is almost absolutely worthless for those in blue collar jobs.
That level of education is only necessary for white collar workers, yet those people still need more education because of the glut of graduates.
Education does not matter, on it's own, without a capitalist economy.
The most educated person in the world with no way to feed himself, is still poor.
Why is it the fault of capitalism?
It's tedious to argue with somebody who simply doesn't understand the very basics of an argument.
AGAIN: THAT IS NOT THE QUESTION BEING ASKED.
THE QUESTION BEING ASKED CONCERNS WHETHER CAPITALISM FORCES A PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE TO LIVE POVERTY.
As I have already argued, it does. It doesn't matter what else they could be doing. What matters is the system already in place. As it is, capitalism does mean some people necessarily have to be poor so that others can enjoy cheap commodities.
Really? Is that what every chart which shows the connection between education and earnings show? Interesting.
That is entirely different issue related to job safety. Not whether education and how much you make are related.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing. We're discussing whether a person with an education is more likely to be paid more. The truth is that this is true. Regardless of how a blue collar or white collar fare in a recession, at the end of the day - once the recession is over - the white collar will still make more money.
I'm serious now, pay attention and put the how to be a Libertarian book down:
1. For a capitalist, it is necessary for goods to be produced cheaply in order to make a profit.
2. For capitalists in the real world, this means that they have to go to places where people are desperate for jobs and offer them the bare minimum they need to survive. Now, I don't know if you've ever been poor but it's been my experience that the majority of people living in poverty have an incredibly hard time getting out of it even in in present day America. So how does this relate to the issue being asked?
3. If a person is only making enough money to live on the daily, it means they do not accumulate wealth. Which means they don't pass wealth to their children. Which means the poverty cycle continues.
Finally, this is the reason union movements began in the first place. Capitalists of the late 19th and early 20th century had absolutely no problem making people work in squalid conditions and paying the bare minimum. If one complained? One was fired. That was it. What has happened is that now factories with horrible conditions, cheap labor and overworking bosses have been moved to the 3rd world. Only in places like Africa, complaining might mean getting your hand chopped off. That is why it's the fault of capitalism that some people must remain poor for others to enjoy commodities.
Just curious of everyones opinions of the "Western Influence" and what your thoughts on a capitalism form of society are?
Please explain why you like it or dislike it and if you have any better ideas on how to govern a country please elaborate...
Well for the west.. your working poor live in china. But further there is no way to escape implications of the bell curve for capitalism. Clearly capitalism forces have and have nots. Not everyone can be rich.
Yes capitalism enforces social stratification.
I think that depends on what you mean by "rich." Not everyone can be in the top ten percent, obviously, but there's no reason why everyone in a modern society can't be rich by historical standards. Exploiting workers who live in non-capitalist societies is another matter, of course. That's not what I'd call capitalism.
Capitalism raises all people. Our people in poverty have TVs, cars, food, apartments. They do this on minimum wage. Our poor are orders of magnitude richer than the poor in third world countries. The fact that there is a growing gap between rich and poor, means that the rich grow more than the poor, but the poor still grow. As noted above, systems which try for equality of outcome are detrimental to society as a whole. If you don't like being poor, get an education and get out of your condition by working hard.
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