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Do you believe that a country was the right to draft it's citizens into it's armed forces during a time of war?
In terms of principle, yes. However, only 2% of Civil war fighters were draftees. Most were volunteers. The effect of the draft was largely minimal in that instance. This only further proves my point: if the war is really worth fighting for, there should be no need for the draft. Most of the wars the US is fighting today are not worth it.This is an extremely unconvincing line of argument for me. It smacks of an emotive hyperbole. I do not think the country was lost after the Civil War, after World War I, after World War II, etc. Do you?
Slavery was also practically more efficient and was in the wider interests of the south, but that does not justify involuntary servitude. The exact same argument is true for the draft. It doesn't matter how practical it is. That the draft has been historically effective is questionable at best (often with the draft there were many volunteers) but even if I grant that historically it has been more effective, that says absolutely nothing about better ways of doing things in the future. If the draft was not granted as an option, other ways would be developed to meet the need. In this way the existence of the draft hinders other more just options from coming into usage.I return to my original and sole argument which is that on occasion it is sometimes in our wider interests (even if some disagree) to engage in conscription for specific purposes. I'd never claim it is anything other than a hypocritical position for me to take, but I'll still stake it out. On a practical level it clearly has utility and its comparison to enlistment incentives or mercenaries fails because of the palpable reality that historically conscription has been a more effective mechanism for mass mobilization in more trying or difficult times. When euphoria wears out and crisis draws in it tends to do its job. Is it the ideal course of action? No. But on a limited basis can I justify the violation of your rights to serve what I think is a greater purpose? Yes.
The domestic Tranquility of a State, is also a States' right pursuant to our Second Amendment.
It doesnt say that, but that has what to do with conscription?
The security of a free State must include the domestic Tranquility. It has to do with a civil obligation to the defense of the State.
Yes, for wars of true national defense and survival - such as WWII was.
Oh yeah? Why did our nation survive so long without getting involved? Didn't Hitler start his shaningans way before the U.S. got involved? He was in Germany. We were in the United States. The Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean were already in place back in 1941. Are you sure it was National Defense? or just doing the morally right thing for suffering human beings?
WWII was not about national defense and survival. This doesn't mean our participation wasn't justified.
Then why did the USA win WW2 ( they used the draft) if a country has lost already if they draft?
Oh yeah? Why did our nation survive so long without getting involved? Didn't Hitler start his shaningans way before the U.S. got involved? He was in Germany. We were in the United States. The Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean were already in place back in 1941. Are you sure it was National Defense? or just doing the morally right thing for suffering human beings?
WWII was not about national defense and survival. This doesn't mean our participation wasn't justified.
No, thats what a military is for. So citizens dont HAVE to fight. They hire someone else to protect them.
No, thats what a military is for. So citizens dont HAVE to fight. They hire someone else to protect them.
It must always be the responsibility of the Militia of the United States as long as Its banner flies.
Is forcing a woman to carry a child to term involuntary servitude?
No it musnt.
I think we should all have skin in the game, so I am all for the draft. I think it would stop the silly wars.
But on the other side. When I went in the service there were still many around who remembered the draft and hated it. Said people who were drafted were **** birds, a common Marine Corps term for not very high functioning military personnel. I dont believe Marines were ever drafted, but the old guys around here probably know more. Not mentioning any names...you know who you are.
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