You can go off all you want, but that isn't evidence.
And you last snetence said this: Navy SERE schools is a personal friend of over 20 years. I assumed SEL was one and this sentence was the other. But, not a name, no link, nothing verifable.
In fact, the current SEL of one of the two Navy SERE schools is a personal friend of over 20 years.
I have supported my claim. You have not. ANd running off mad won't change that. We have testinmony before congress, very much verifiable, and it supports my claim and not yours. Sorry.
Now, Boo, so we're clear, I don't endorse the use of waterboarding in interrogations. Mainly because the American people are against it, and they have every right to dictate the actions of their government's agents. However, I don't now, nor ever will agree with the exaggerated description of torture in regard to it. Just like most of us that have been through it.
I don't care if it's evidence or not, I'm telling you what I know from personal experience with the subject. You can ignore that if you want, but it is what it is.
You mean this sentence?
All you've done is regurgitate an opinion. Someone else's.
I don't mean to be persistent, but the evidence says you haven't. Those who know were brought before congress. They gave their testimony. And they said, no me, not democrats, not liberals, but those who ran the program, set teh ruels, they said you did not.
And I'm telling you you cannot possibly know unless you done both.
Not the way it came up on my screen.
A qualified opinion. One that knows both what is doen in interrorgation and what you were subjected to. The creators and adminsitrators of the program.
The evidence says I have. I am the evidence.
And for the last time: SERE is not one program run by one person or even a few people. Nor was designed by one person or a few people.
Well, you've done neither...
The original is still there...get your "screen" checked.
Qualified, sure, but just an opinion. One of many.
I understand, but it has a head, it has a procedure, and way of doing things, and the military is very good at doing it just they way they are told to. You as one individual, having only experienced that rpogram, cannot possibly know if it is the same. Those who know both, set up the program, made the ground rules, say you are wrong. It is simple and verifiable. You've offered nothing that meets that standard. Sorry.
No, it doesn't. Each service has it's own SERE programs run, led, managed and owned entirely by the individual service and tailored to that services needs/directives.
I haven't walked on the moon without a space suit either, but I know I need one if I go there.
I did, and it comes up broken up as a separate sentence. But it is a minor thing. Not anythign I'm worried about either way.
No, opinions are nto created equal. Those who know more, and explan clearly why are better than those that know less and don't remotely address the issue at hand. Agian, You cannot possibley know if they are the same unless you've experienced both.
That doesn't change ****. The program for all of the was laid on how it was to be handled. Agian, they were testifying before congress about the entire progrma and how it was done eveywhere.
Again, unless you have been thorugh both, you cannot make a comparison.
But you'd rather take what you've read about it rather than first hand expirience of one who has trained to walk on the moon (but has yet to walk on the moon)
Then your ridicule is all the more senseless.
Who is this person who has been through SERE and has been interrogated with the use of waterbaording are you citing? Or, is your expert just someone who is familiar with the training?
This is simply not true, as it can't be unless quite a few more people testified.
Again, you've been through neither, so you can do even less.
Sure, because logically, you cannot know unless you've been through both. You can't make that comparison. And those who put it together know both, know it well, as they have to design the program.
Not sure what you mean there as I did not ridecule. I merely didn't know what you meant at first. I explained why.
The links are back there. I posted them for you. You have congressional testimony from both the former U.S. Navy Senior Chief, SERE instructor, and expert in prisoners of war and terrorist hostage survival techniques and the chief Psychologist who set the rules for safety for the participants. Their names escape me, but they are who congress called and their testimony was linked for you to read.
but reading about it makes you an expert...
Yes, but the person that you claim has experienced both water boarding in training and as a prisoner of war is absent from your links. Please point out that guy.
Torture: the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
I'd say it fits quite easily within that definition. So, yes.
I've been waterboarded. it is not pleasant but it is hardly excruciating pain.
But you haven't had the entire deal, the real deal. See above discussion and links I've posted on it.
You know, reading is not a bad thing. This is how many people learn things. This is one of the reasons education is suffering, because parents say reading doesn't lead to knowledge. However, the point is I point to people who knew BOTH. You only know one.
No, they understand both. They had to in order to create the program, to know where to stop so that you were not damaged. I'm sorry, but you're looking for away to ignore those who know more than you do. You expect people to just accept that you're accurate, providing nothing beyond you. Nowhere is that good enough. You simply don't have enough experience in either having experienced both, or studied both. Nowhere are you a recognized expert.
Well, you might try a little more reading, as I clearly said I new hundreds. Further in the reading you'll find that I have read what you've read and experienced what you haven't.
They didn't create the program...it's funny though that you say they understood what I can't understand because neither I nor them have experienced "both". Cognitive dissonance they name is Boo.
you have no ****ing clue what I have or have not had. so your "opinion" is less than worthless
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