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We will have to agree to disagree, as I see it as gender inequality. Even if the couple are married and he wants very much to be a part of the birth, if she says no, it's no. I find that very unfair.
Not everyone does, but its not at all rare for me to be called a woman hater because I challenge a woman on something she said or did. Women can be awful human beings just like men and if they want to be seen as equals then they have to expect I will call them out on it. I also get called a woman hater when I have a problem with something feminist are doing which I see as harmful in one way or another. My intent is never to hate on women, but to show my disapproval for whatever thing feminist are doing that I have a problem with. Honestly, I don't care anymore. I will say what I believe, and I will speak against hateful people and things I feel are harmful, and I don't care if those people I'm speaking against are men or women.
Inequality and 'unfair' are not the same.
Her state of mind in the delivery room can actually make the difference between life and death for herself and the baby. The right relationship between the mother and father can make her stronger, mentally and physically. The wrong one can obviously have the opposite consequences.
So now no one is considering the baby's welfare? The "unfairness" to the man is more important than 2 lives? He's not much of a man if he'd force himself and his own wishes above that.
Can we get any more melodramatic ? Jesus. Let's not forget her body was designed to do the deed. How many babies are born in the backseat of cab or car? How many like myself had the baby on a stretcher outside the damn delivery room for all passer bys to see? You want to talk about privacy? Every damn person around you at that point is a stranger.
And one could say she isn't much of a woman if she did not respect his wishes either.
Can we get any more melodramatic ? Jesus. Let's not forget her body was designed to do the deed. How many babies are born in the backseat of cab or car? How many like myself had the baby on a stretcher outside the damn delivery room for all passer bys to see? You want to talk about privacy? Every damn person around you at that point is a stranger.
That's interesting. I challenge women on things they've said or done frequently, even on feminist issues, and not once has anyone accused me of being a woman hater. I think your underlying motives are coming thorough to the surface a wee bit more than you're aware.
omg, ..........so? The pain, the fear, the blood, the risks.....those are diminished? No they are not. No one chooses to give birth in the back of a cab.
By design the woman goes thru hell. She is not obligated to 'share' that with someone she dislikes and distrusts. She'll never see those strangers again, most likely. She has to see someone she may consider an asshole and who may be an asshole that throws that in her face anytime he gets pissed off at her over child visitation.
You choose to deny her this, but her mental and physical state and how those contribute to the birth of the baby are 1000x more important than his viewing pleasure.
Oh please. There is no harm, no consequence for him. His choice could put their lives at risk.
Her choice makes him disappointed and litigious.
It's not remotely the same.
That is what I've been thinking every time someone mentions stress. Women have given birth to babies countless times through the ages in situations far more stressful than having the father in the room. Of all the hyperbole they could go with they decide to go with the stress angle.
Oh please. There is no harm, no consequence for him. His choice could put their lives at risk.
Her choice makes him disappointed and litigious.
It's not remotely the same.
What "military" issue would that be? That men cannot control themselves because they have to work with women in the military?
I'm getting a real kick out of the "if he's there, she might DIE!" bullcrap.
If you need any evidence of women being more emotional than rational...there you go.
She has to see someone she may consider an asshole and who may BE an asshole that throws that in her face anytime he gets pissed off at her over child visitation.
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If a woman denies access to the delivery room to the father of the child it's perfectly reasonable to say she isn't much of a woman.
Lursa said:Oh please. There is no harm, no consequence for him. His choice could put their lives at risk.
Her choice makes him disappointed and litigious.
It's not remotely the same.
well over half of the disciplinary investigations I had to conduct during my last deployment were over two (or sometimes more) females who were fighting over some guy.
LOLOLOLOL I just explained exactly why...to the exact same comment. What part wasnt crystal clear, besides the fact you just dont like it?
well, maybe if she wasn't such a bitch about it and didn't keep ****ing with him over his visitiation rights or continually taking him to court to demand more child support, he wouldn't get pissed off about it and be an asshole.
did you ever consider that?
Lotta butt hurt men in this thread, that's for sure. Henrin's had the crap beat out of him in family court....is that your problem too? If so, start another thread.
You mean like working in the field squat and drop? To read some of these comments you wonder how in the world did the human race ever survive before delivery rooms.
Wow, what an embarrassment to my gender.
yep. I've seen female Soldiers get into knock down, drag out, eye scratching, hair pulling brawls all because one of them thought the other was trying to sleep with her "boyfriend".
Lotta butt hurt men in this thread, that's for sure. Henrin's had the crap beat out of him in family court....is that your problem too? If so, start another thread.
Lotta butt hurt men in this thread, that's for sure. Henrin's had the crap beat out of him in family court....is that your problem too? If so, start another thread.
Yes, I'm sure you'd want your daughter taking unnecessary risks and feeling unnecessary pain, mental and physical, just to salve some guy's 'feelings.'
Women died in droves in childbirth in the past....I guess you feel this woman is so evil she should just suck it up and suffer more than necessary, as that is what his presence would mean for her....according to her.
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