NoobieDoobieDo
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NoobieDoobieDo said:Do you think capitalism in America will last ?
Does capitalism have the long term answers America needs ?
point said:Capitalism is based on exploitation.
I'm a capitalist. I'm a company of one. I exploit myself?
point said:No, I don't think so.
Capitalism is based on exploitation.
Capitalism is a system in which a little minority rules over the majority. The majority, this is the working class. The minority, this are the rich people, the employers, the shareholders - those who make profits by hiring workers.
The capitalists are the ones who control the media. With the help of the media, they can brainwash the people and influence them for their own goals.
For example, they tell the people that it is necessary to invade Afghanistan or Iraq. They tell that is necessary in order to spread "democracy" or "human rights". But in fact, it's only because of their greed for money and profits.
The capitalists don't risk their own lives at the wars which they strive for. The men and women of the working class are the ones who die at war - not for their own interests but for the interests of that minority.
The capitalist system pretends to be a "democracy" in which the people "have a choice". But they don't have a choice. Whether the "liberals" or the "conservatives" win the election, wheter the ones or the others - finally, it makes no difference for the working class because none of those parties represents the majority of the people, the interests of the working class, but only the interests of the capitalists.
Mikkel said:I agree with almost everything you said, but you missed the key element of the poll question. It doesn't ask, 'do you think capitalism should last in america', it asks will it last?
I think that, regardless of capitalism's flaws, the taintedness of the cold war and the so called 'spirit' of our constitution will keep people in a pro-capitalist mindset. I think we'll see the downfall of America before we see the downfall of capitalism (or it might come hand in hand...)
teacher said:I'm a capitalist. I'm a company of one. I exploit myself?
Somehow - yes.
point said:teacher said:Somehow - yes.
teacher: "Get back to work teacher".
teacher: "But teacher, I want to pick on Mr. Brooks".
teacher: "Mr. Brooks don't pay the bills, now get back to work teacher".
teacher: (Mumbling) "Slavedriving teacher".
teacher: "I gotta cut that teacher some slack, but he's such a good worker. Oh Mr. Brooo-ooooks".
teacher said:teacher: "Get back to work teacher".
teacher: "But teacher, I want to pick on Mr. Brooks".
teacher: "Mr. Brooks don't pay the bills, now get back to work teacher".
teacher: (Mumbling) "Slavedriving teacher".
teacher: "I gotta cut that teacher some slack, but he's such a good worker. Oh Mr. Brooo-ooooks".
See's men in white coats in teach's immediate future with posts like that :lol:
The divide between rich and poor in the US will continue to grow wider as those with ambition use their wits and wisdom capitalize on the available educational opportunities to improve their circumstances and the suckers who allow themselves to be cast as victims of the system will stay right where they are, refusing to become educated and rendering themselves incapable of anything but menial jobs.ncallaway said:I think as the devide between the rich and the poor gets larger and larger something will have to change. I think capitalism is a fairly good system, but needs more regulation than we have. The pay split between a CEO and the factory worker (while it should exist) is getting way too large, and I don't think people will stand for it forever.
It may be a long time before we see changes, or it may happen soon. But I think it has to change. Society is constantly changing and reforming itself, and something new will come along.
debate_junkie said:teacher said:See's men in white coats in teach's immediate future with posts like that :lol:
They can't catch me. My good freind teacher is always on the lookout for them.
Fantasea said:The divide between rich and poor in the US will continue to grow wider as those with ambition use their wits and wisdom capitalize on the available educational opportunities to improve their circumstances and the suckers who allow themselves to be cast as victims of the system will stay right where they are, refusing to become educated and rendering themselves incapable of anything but menial jobs.
As US factories continue disappear, so will the factory jobs. Tech is getting higher all the time. Those who can't measure up will keep the fast food chains staffed.
The argument over earning disparity is ridiculous. Brainpower has always outranked manual labor and is worth every penny. If you don't have the right people at the top, there are no jobs at all at the bottom.
ncallaway said:Quote:
I'm not saying brainpower shouldn't outrank manual labor, but I think with the wages as far apart as they are (between, say, a CEO, and a machinist), the system can't last forever. Fast food chains can only become so prevalent, and thus only have so many jobs, before they stop making money.Originally Posted by Fantasea
The divide between rich and poor in the US will continue to grow wider as those with ambition use their wits and wisdom capitalize on the available educational opportunities to improve their circumstances and the suckers who allow themselves to be cast as victims of the system will stay right where they are, refusing to become educated and rendering themselves incapable of anything but menial jobs.
As US factories continue disappear, so will the factory jobs. Tech is getting higher all the time. Those who can't measure up will keep the fast food chains staffed.
The argument over earning disparity is ridiculous. Brainpower has always outranked manual labor and is worth every penny. If you don't have the right people at the top, there are no jobs at all at the bottom.
I'm not saying it will happen soon, and I'm not saying it's going to be a bloody revolution. But capitalism, while a good system, simply can't last forever. That's part of how society works. It will continue to change and evolve with time. It has done so since the beginning, and it will continue to do so.
As the old cliche' goes, "You ain't seen nuthin' yet!"If you disagree, and think we have reached the highest step on the ladder in the evolution of economics, I think we're (as two people in debate) stuck. I simply don't think we're (as society) there yet (nor will we ever be, in my opinion).
Because it has been recognized as the best way to raise living standards, it continues to spread throughout the world.I do, however, think capitalism will last for quite some time.
Youve Got To Be Kidding! said:Coorporate capitalism does change. It changes into communism. HAIL BUSH AND SCREW YOU! (not directed at anyone)
ncallaway said:Whatever the reason may be for it's fall, I still don't think capitalism will last forever.
I think we will come to a SENSIBLE Democratic, Socialist Republic. There's some words you don't often see together.
teacher said:That's true. I can't remember the last time I saw the word Democratic preceded by the word Sensible.ncallaway said:Whatever the reason may be for it's fall, I still don't think capitalism will last forever.
I think we will come to a SENSIBLE Democratic, Socialist Republic. There's some words you don't often see together.
Socialist Republic? That's another story. Those words were linked up from the Russian revolution until the whole thing collapsed under Gorbachev. Some of the remnants refer to themselves as a "Peoples Democratic Republic. Now, how's that for a Democratic sandwich?
We can expect to see capitalism last at least to about the same time that a herd of unicorns begins watering at the reflecting pool in DC.
As a matter of fact, I do run my own business, and I probably work harder than you. I never said I hated capitalism (in fact I've said it's the best designed by man), but corporatism is an abomination against the dignity of man. How 'bout them apples...?stsburns said:You run your own business like me then we will talk! :mrgreen: And if you hate capitalism, I'm sure other countries would love to have your citizenship! If you hate coporations, DONT BUY ANYTHING!
Imudman said:As a matter of fact, I do run my own business, and I probably work harder than you. I never said I hated capitalism (in fact I've said it's the best designed by man), but corporatism is an abomination against the dignity of man. How 'bout them apples...?
Here's a definition I found on the web..."A sociopolitical philosophy that is antithetical to both Marxist and liberal democratic political ideals. It found its most developed expression in Italy under Benito Mussolini. A corporatist would organize society into industrial and professional corporations that serve as organs of political representation within a hierarchical, centralized polity controlled by the state. A corporatist society is elitist, patrimonialist, authoritarian, and statist. ."Connecticutter said:If I may jump in here for a second...
I'm a strong believer in capitalism - that is private ownship and peaceful trade among people. What exactly do you mean by corporatism? I believe that people should absolutely be allowed to form corporations. I'm too happy about corporate subsidies and bail-outs, though.
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