Navy Pride said:And if you do those things you will be arrested.......The problem is the penalty is not enough.........If it was up to me I would lock the scum up and throw away the key.......
Trajan Octavian Titus said:The Supreme Court has ruled that the Freedom of Speech is limited in respect to speech which will cause immediate societal harm; such as incitement to revolution, riot, or violence, calling for the overthrow of the Government would certainly fall under that equation.
Why do you think you should be free to yell "FIRE!" in a theater?Saboteur said:And thanks to them and the Administration with it 'patriot act' this country is no longer free.
Goobieman said:Why do you think you should be free to yell "FIRE!" in a theater?
Saboteur said:Why do you think people don't have enough honor to conduct themselves in a mature and resposible manner without having a law against everything one can possibly think of?
Saboteur said:Because you're a NAZI.
Why don't you and Navy go celebrate by doing some Heil Hitler's then go to bed together?
Goobieman said:You didn't answer the question.
Why do you think you should be able to yell "fire" in a theater?
And in any case, it seems to me that most, if not all, criminal law is predicated on the idea that some people will not 'have enough honor to conduct themselves in a mature and resposible manner'.
Saboteur said:I did not say I should be free to yell fire in a theater did I? No, I didn't.
But fine, since it has been assumed that I did I will further explain the answer I already gave since you cannot, or won't admit that you can, understand my previouse answer.
I do not think that it is okay to yell fire in a theater. And I do not think that there needs to be a law against it on the state or federal level either. As a general rule of theaters people aren't supposed to talk at all. I think that most laws create the crimes they are supposed to deter. So I suppose there should be a law against talking in theaters altogether so we have some real trials in the courts as opposed to those frivolous malpractise suits right?
Navy Pride said:I don't know how you get away with not getting banned for making comments like that........
And this.........
Goobieman said:You DO know why its (usually) illegal to yell fire in a theater, right?
Saboteur said:If I get banned big deal. This is just congregation of conservative crack pots stroking each other with their hateful rhetorric anyway. I'm just here trying to get you folks to take off the blinders and live in reality. If I fail too bad.
Goobieman said:Odd.
I saw that someone was banned for having the nerve to disagree with a liberal moderator, a moderator who was doing the exact same thing he said he banned the poster.
And if you want to see the liberal left's idea of how Free Speech should work, I suggest you visit the Democratic Undergoroud.
Saboteur said:Just curious. How do you think free speech should work?
Goobieman said:Odd.
I saw that someone was banned for having the nerve to disagree with a liberal moderator, a moderator who was doing the exact same thing he said he banned the poster.
And if you want to see the liberal left's idea of how Free Speech should work, I suggest you visit the Democratic Undergoroud.
Goobieman said:As long as you dont endanger someone else, or incite public violence, or work to overthrow a legitimate government, you should lbe able to say pretty much whatever you want.
The guys at the DU ban you for disagreeing with them - and they tell you that they will when you sign up.
Why would I?Saboteur said:Then why are you here and not protesting the existance of the KKK?
Its not protected by the 1st because it puts people in danger.Mikkel said:As for the whole, yelling 'fire' in a theater situation; I think law restricting our behavior should be made out of necessity, rather than principle. I don't think yelling 'fire' in a theater should be illegal (though I would expect whoever did so would not be welcome back in said theater), unless of course there is some epidemic sweeping across the country where people are yelling 'fire' in the theater.
Goobieman said:Its not protected by the 1st because it puts people in danger.
Note that the laws that prohibit it do not explicitly prohibit the exclamation itself, but prohibit actions that are dangerous to the general public -- public endangerment, or whatnot.
Mikkel said:I'm saying that the spirit of the constitution upholds, fundamentally, that we shouldn't have laws against something unless there is a necessity for a law to be put in place.
People shouldn't make laws just because it comes to them. They make laws because there has been an incident, or a number of incidents, where actions by a person have been harmful or intrusive to others.
Goobieman said:Then you shouldnt have much problem with it being illegal to yell "fire" in a theater.
Stinger said:Why does that make her any smarter on foreign policy and national security issues?
Goobieman said:Why would I?
Why aren't you?
I have and do. They hide behind the 1st Amendment just like Larry Flint.
See, you equate "disagree with what they say/do" with "you must act against them". Just because someone says something that I dont agree with or that I think they don't have the right to say doesnt in any way means I must "protest" their existence.
Well you've just majorly contradicted yourself...
You say you must act against me if what I say is a statement regarding the overthrow of the government.
I don't appreciate being accused of something YOU are doing.
Goobieman said:As long as you dont endanger someone else, or incite public violence, or work to overthrow a legitimate government, you should lbe able to say pretty much whatever you want.
The guys at the DU ban you for disagreeing with them - and they tell you that they will when you sign up.
I said nothing of the sort.Saboteur said:Well you've just majorly contradicted yourself...
You say you must act against me if what I say is a statement regarding the overthrow of the government.
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