And the police are mind readers so they know your intentions. Having bad intentions in itself is not a crime.
Name them.There are some here that think it is perfectly acceptable to carry an M60 machine gun onto a playground and it is his constitutional right. No strawman. They actually believe it.
My point is some common sense rules concerning firearms are neccessary in a modern society. The Supreme court agrees with me.
Name them.
Name them.
I said name them, now!Do your own work. Read the posts on this thread.
Actually Dirty Harry is the one who painted the (implausible) scenario, and got one or two people to argue with him about whether it should be legal or not. However, it is meaningless because there was no context to the scenario, no hint of the circumstances or apparent intentions of this hypothetical redneck with the highly-implausible LMG at the imaginary playground. The scenario just hangs there in space, unsupported, in the same way that bricks don't.
Classical strawman ploy: paint a ridiculously extreme scenario as if it had relevance then knock it down.
Wrong. Some people here believe that their right to bear arms should not be infringed. That a person should be free to carry any firearm wherever he wants, concealed or not.
Implausible or not. It is about his constitutional right to do so. Intentions do not matter because no one can read his mind. You just don't get it. You should be arguing with the guy that believes it is his constitutional right to carry an M60 onto a playground.
I'm an ex-cop from a state where every fourth car has a gun in the glovebox...legally.
Mind readers? No. Trained to observe behavior, expression and body language, and the context of the situation, to determine whether a situation of Jeopardy exists? Yes.
That's Jeopardy, as in the legal term, not the gameshow.
Back to the frequency with which police encounter guns in my state... it isn't a huge deal. SOP is to tell the person to leave the gun where it is and not reach for it... most people aren't that stupid anyway, but the reminder helps. Normally SC cops only take someone's gun if they suspect ill intentions of some kind.
Probable cause to believe someone's actions constitute Jeopardy is about the totality of the circumstances.
If I'm at the playground, and there's a man there who's spent the last 30 min playing with his child, then his shirt rides up and I note that he has a concealed pistol on a belt holster under his shirt... absent other signs of malicious intentions I'd reasonably assume he was armed for defensive reasons. Granted I'd probably keep an eye on him afterwards.
That isn't theoretical, btw, I've been in almost exactly that scenario.
Some guy approaching the playground with an M60 LMG over his shoulder, loaded belt dangling from the breech, fixed stare on his face, hunched shoulders and reddened or paled complexion, stiff movements... the totality of those circumstances does indeed scream "Jeopardy!" and indicates some kind of action be taken, even if it were technically legal to bring an M60 onto a playground.
For another example, my reactions would be very different if a man approached me with an AK47 slung over his shoulder on the sling, and otherwise appearing calm and unruffled, vs a man approaching me with an AK47 held in low-ready and body language indicating high stress levels.
People actually do tend to broadcast their intentions in a manner that is often readily apparent to the trained eye.
Again, context.
You can't name them and won't.Wrong. Some people here believe that their right to bear arms should not be infringed. That a person should be free to carry any firearm wherever he wants, concealed or not.
Implausible or not. It is about his constitutional right to do so. Intentions do not matter because no one can read his mind.
You just don't get it. You should be arguing with the guy that believes it is his constitutional right to carry an M60 onto a playground.
You can't name them and won't.
EPIC FAIL, you lose. Have a nice day.
Has the "wife-beating redneck' been convicted of a viuolent crime?
Was the M-60 purchased legally?
Does the playground have a 'no-gund' sign?
Depending on the answers to these questions, the answer is yes.[/QUOTE
Has the "wife-beating redneck' been convicted of a viuolent crime?
Was the M-60 purchased legally?
Does the playground have a 'no-gund' sign?
Depending on the answers to these questions, the answer is yes.
Okay, you got Goobie to bite into your strawman argument. Congratulations.
Even so, his reply was not unconditional: in his post he was asking for some context of the fictitious and implausible scenario. He didn't ask the more important questions, like Who is this guy? Is he a National Guard Recruiter doing a demo with an unloaded weapon for some high-school prospects? Is the weapon loaded? Are the circumstances readily explicable or are they suspicious?
The scenario remains unreasonably unlikely and extreme, nothing more than a ploy, in the absence of some kind of context that explains what is actually happening.
I guess you just don't get it, do you. It's about constitutional rights.
Does a guy have a constitutional right to bring a weapon on to a playground if there are no signs. Intentions, who he is, why, circumstances, context... are not relevant. It is about his right to do so.
Yes, why wouldn't he be allowed to carry on a playground?
Yes, why wouldn't he be allowed to carry on a playground?
What's he doing with it on a playground?
On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
I think it's nuts to carry a concealed weapon into a playground.
What's he doing with it on a playground?
What's he doing with it on a playground?
Bullies.................
I think it's nuts to carry a concealed weapon into a playground.
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Law abiding people, don't change thier ways simply because of some steel on thier hip.
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