They wouldnt be fighting us if we didnt attack them to begin with.So youi would rather fight them here.
They wouldnt be fighting us if we didnt attack them to begin with.
That is very optimistic, indeed. In a world as interconnected as ours now is, the frictions will occur all over the place and where you don't expect them. The way world security is shaped and shaping up, the war will come to us. And it will not make any difference, what we do. We can only prolong the relative security we enjoy, if we do not solve the fundamental problem of the dynamic.
We can put an end to this endless conflict if we really wanted to- all we have to do is pull back, its as simple as that.
Optimism is a fine feeling. It is also fun to see.
We can put an end to this endless conflict if we really wanted to- all we have to do is pull back, its as simple as that.
Seriously? You honestly think that pulling back would stop them?
Im afraid youve got it all backwards, my views are based on realism, the optimists are the ones who think we can win the war on terror.
I do indeed. Terrorists are gaining strength because of our interventions. Its giving them an opportunity to recruit more for their ranks because the more we push the more hated we get. We are not getting anything out of it anyway other than fresh hatred against us. If we pull back and stop supporting the other side there is no reason for them to attack us. Foley was killed because we intervened.
What say you?
If its not a war then why are we fighting in it?Do you know anyone that really thinks we can win the war on terrorism in our lifetime? That would really be optimistic. It is not, after all, a war.
But the same is true of isolationists. I have never actually met one that believed that the evil would leave us alone. It is always someone who wants to save the money, because his experience tells him that someone else will produce the public good we call security.
He would have been killed simply because we have been messing around with the Middle East since the end of WW2. ISIS may not have stealth fighters or smart bombs but they will fight back, anybody would fight back when a nation from the other side of the world attacks them when they shouldnt have to.Foley would have been killed anyway, regardless of what we did or didn't do - our intervention just set the date.
So why are we there?That part of the world has been at war with themselves and others since the dawn of time.
Wrong on so many levels. Radical Islam is partly a creation of US foreign policy. We removed dictators and so left a power vacuum that was exploited by religious extremists.Then we have radical Islam. That particular group doesn't care if we are there or not. They hate us. They want us subjugated to them or dead. They don't really care which.
Maybe it didnt start at that time, but we sure as hell made it grow into a monster because of what we did.Radical Islam is not new. It didn't start at the turn of the last century when Britain was in the ME. It dang sure didn't start when the US got involved in the ME. It didn't start when Israel was formed. It sure didn't start when we went to war with Iraq the first time.
Radical Islam can only satiate itself on Muslim countries, it has no influence outside of them. There is no reason for us to make enemies out of a people who wouldnt care about us.Radical Islam is a threat to the world. It has been for millennia. It has risen and waned in power throughout time. The Ottomans fought radical Islamists (and in fact it was the Ottomans that first used the term Wahhabism in the 1700's - which is a very radical and extreme form of Islam) throughout their reign from 1299 through 1923.
So you want to fight a war thats now the longest war in American history (and has no end in sight) over oil then? Wow. Thanks for finally admitting that.Us pulling out isn't going to either make them go away or to make them leave us alone. If we pulled out, and groups like ISIS took over the oil rich ME, the worlds economy would collapse.
To me, that's worth fighting over.
(1) If its not a war then why are we fighting in it?
(2)Ive always believed in a strong military, but a neutral one, one that doesnt intervene in affairs that we have no business in. The Swiss have been neutral for hundreds of years and they havent complained about it.
I do indeed. Terrorists are gaining strength because of our interventions. Its giving them an opportunity to recruit more for their ranks because the more we push the more hated we get. We are not getting anything out of it anyway other than fresh hatred against us. If we pull back and stop supporting the other side there is no reason for them to attack us. Foley was killed because we intervened.
What say you?
Anyone who wants to buy a plane ticket to Iraq and go to war against ISIS has my permission to go there and do whatever turns them on.
I'm sure that they'll be welcomed with flowers and candy.
And maybe a nice cup of tea. :lamo
What say you?
DaveFagan;1063678624[B said:]I say we should bomb Saudi Arabia and cut off the financial head of the snake[/B]. Who do you think finances these Sunni/Wahabi groups anyway? We have two back stabbing alleged allies. That would be Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
I don't know that we should start bombing right now, but we do need to keep a close eye on our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia.
Where did Osama bin Laden and the guys who flew those planes into the buildings on 9/11 come from? Think about it.
Think hard.
The main reason we care about the Middle East is oil.
Maybe we should design a program to drastically reduce our dependence upon oil.
That should solve the problem.
We already tried hope and change, its made things worse.
How many guesses would you give me? and what do I get out of it if I guess correctly?I don't know that we should start bombing right now, but we do need to keep a close eye on our 'friends' in Saudi Arabia.
Where did Osama bin Laden and the guys who flew those planes into the buildings on 9/11 come from? Think about it.
Think hard.
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