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Africa should pay the repatriation if anyone after all they are the ones who enslaved their brethren first.
I didn't read the article yet, but yes, I believe the gov. should provide reparations, but in the form of quality education and other EFFECTIVE social programs rather than in the form of land or money. It should also do so for Native Americans.
We have been paying reparations for the last fifty years
What this reparations argument shows is this: People think that you can address a social and cultural wrong by giving someone money.
We've made a lot of efforts to improve the state of African Americans in our society - we even have someone who identifies as Black as president. So I'm not sure at which point people consider things to be progressing forward and away from the negative issues - and if any amount of money is going to fix things to where these people are okay.
Money is used to buy stuff - hence why countries who caused war pay reparations so the countries they've destroyed can actually repair their selves.
Right now the biggest issues that many African American decedents in the US face are not fixable with some money. Beyond that - they would be paying their own reparations via taxes seeing as how THEY ARE AMERICANS.
And it won't change anything, it won't make anyone feel better about the past. The concept only divides people.
If any particular African American can make an evidentiary claim that s/he suffered some kind of direct and quantifiable loss as a result of institutional racism then I think we should weight that evidence with a bias toward the claimant and make that person whole.
I didn't read the article yet, but yes, I believe the gov. should provide reparations, but in the form of quality education and other EFFECTIVE social programs rather than in the form of land or money. It should also do so for Native Americans.
Anyone who was ever a slave in America is welcome to come forward for reparations. Anyone who has never been officially enslaved, you've done nothing to earn it.
Oh really? What about people who were forced to attend segregated schools? What about people who were denied employment simply because of the color of their skin?
This isn't about that, this is about slavery. Nobody alive today was ever a slave. If you want to take up other social problems, that's fine and can be handled on an individual basis.
No one alive today was a slave. So what is the reparation for? In addition the first of my family came to the US well after slavery had ended. One side was Scottish/ Irish, and the other Italians. Not privileged groups in NYC at the turn of the last century. So no, I nor my family benefited from slavery. I owe nothing more than the taxes I pay for the general welfare of all Americans, including black Americans.
I would say that you have benefited from the slave labor that built this country.
No, I don't think so. What has a slave built 150 - 160 years or so ago that benefited me? I would say that you have benefited from my labor, though.
I would say that you have benefited from the slave labor that built this country.
Oh hell - why stop there? Even black people benefit from it. :roll:
Can't change it.
You have benefited from the work of people like Madison and Washington. Those people used slaves to assist them in building the infrastructure that started this country.
I didn't do anyone wrong- so I don't owe anyone an apology.
If you feel guilty for something which you did not do, then by all means, pay up, but don't expect everyone else to do the same.
And non slaves also worked to build infrastructure that started this country, and many died without pay fighting to start this country. The Native Americans before us made improvements to the land without pay, and many died without pay to free slaves, and many risked life and imprisonment to help slaves escape without pay... so what. That has zero to do with anyone today. We all work and pay taxes for the benefit of all, including the descendants of slaves. The blood of Americans spread throughout the land, the upheaval and protests, the court rulings, the integration and social programs, in an effort to beat back the injustice of slavery isn't worth anything? It's never enough is it?
Do my fore bearers deserve anything? What were conditions like for the Irish in NYC? How about the Italians? What do I get from you? silly huh?
There is no group in the United States that was enslaved on a scale anywhere near Africans. Not only that, but after slavery right up to very recent US history, blacks suffered from institutionalized, structural, systemic, government racism that was designed to "keep n*gg*rs" in their place, to make them feel inferior, to psychologically cripple them so that they would not be a threat. That is the difference.
But the blacks were the slaves.
No doubt that some blacks suffered under racist attitudes. If someone has treated you in a racist manner, I will be happy to stand with you in persecuting that racist. Who shall I stand against and why? Is it any random white guy? Because that's kinda what you are saying here and that will not do.
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