Do you believe in the impartiality of the present SCOTUS?

[independentusa]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

 

[Ikari]

I think that our court system has sadly, and to our detriment, been politically polarized.

 

[Chillfolks]

When you have justices like RBG taking pop shots at Trump there is no way our a Supreme Court could be considered impartial.

All my life it’s been a political court that swings from left to right every so often. After Trump is out of office it will not suddenly become impartial, at best it will just swing to a side that is partial in a way some agree with unlike the present lean of the court.

 

[independentusa]

When you have justices like RBG taking pop shots at Trump there is no way our a Supreme Court could be considered impartial.

All my life it’s been a political court that swings from left to right every so often. After Trump is out of office it will not suddenly become impartial, at best it will just swing to a side that is partial in a way some agree with unlike the present lean of the court.[/QUOTE
With this court it may be 20 years before Trump is out of office. And with the way trump acts, the whole SCOTUS should be saying something, but controlled as they are by trump and the GOP, they will not. I bet in the end, the present SCOTUS will side every time with Trump. I be you will not take that bet, will you?

 

[Chillfolks]

With this court it may be 20 years before Trump is out of office.

What a stupid statement. Trump will either leave office after next years election or once his second term is up.

And with the way trump acts, the whole SCOTUS should be saying something, but controlled as they are by trump and the GOP, they will not.

I disagree, the SCOUTS should act as the independent branch of government they are and rule on their interpretation of the constitution and laws no matter who is in office.

I bet in the end, the present SCOTUS will side every time with Trump. I be you will not take that bet, will you?

I’ll take that PEPSI challenge.

 

[independentusa]

What a stupid statement. Trump will either leave office after next years election or once his second term is up.

I disagree, the SCOUTS should act as the independent branch of government they are and rule on their interpretation of the constitution and laws no matter who is in office.

I’ll take that PEPSI challenge.

Apparently you have never hear do of hyperbole. You are right the SCOTUS should act as a separate independent branch of government, but I do not believe they are with this group. Even Trump calls them his court and I believe he is right. We shall see how they rule in the cases involving Trump before them. Just taking up the tax case when all of the lower courts have ruled against trump gives us an idea that they will rule in favor of trump, even though it will be the start of the imperial presidency and go against all precedents.

 

[lemmiwinx]

SCOTUS is the number one reason Trump needs to be re-elected. RBG can't hold out four more years so there's going to be a least one more appointment. The number two reason Trump needs to be re-elected is have you seen the Democrat candidates? He'd chew 'em up and spit 'em out in a live debate.

 

[Moderate Right]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

CT forum is further down. I'm really amazed at how much fermented kool aid can effect the brain.

 

[jamesrodom]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

Clearly, the Court has become far more polarized than in years past. All you need for proof is the number of recent 5-4 decisions, particularly in landmark cases.

The one thing that might save the Court, and gives me some hope, is the fact that these are lifetime positions. That removes justices from the necessity of having to pander for votes, or reappointment, the way they otherwise would. A few justices throughout history, even though appointed by presidents of a certain ideology, ended up disappointing the presidents who appointed them. Byron White, appointed by JFK, was more conservative than expected. Earl Warren, appointed by Eisenhower, was more liberal. Same with John Paul Stevens, appointed by Gerald Ford, and so on.

Current chief justice John Roberts, appointed by W. Bush, is mostly reliably conservative, but has exhibited independence in a few cases from traditional conservative orthodoxy. Of course, there's Brett Kavanaugh, right-wing justice extraordinaire, who didn't even try to hide his right-wing bias during his hearing last year.

Hopefully the judiciary will always be a lifetime appointment. This is the best way to ensure that they remain as independent as possible.

 

[Helix]

the SCOTUS is not yet as completely compromised as the senate. they are still capable of making decisions that do not reflect blind fealty to the idiot king. it's important to vote out as many cultists as possible along with defeating King Tangface at the polls so that he doesn't have a chance to further damage the courts with loyalists.

 

[Moonglow]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

Dude, you like missed it the Drug War was the big era when SCOTUS was outed to play dirty politics in defining how the govt. plans to blow off your and mine rights, and the Patriot Act is nothing but a spyware attack on the US populace.....As far as the impeachment that's a sham also.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

The do the bidding of who gave them their job. That boils down to the rich and powerful who own both parties. They do not do the bidding of either party but the people who own and fund both parties. That is not We the People. It is the rich who fund our candidates and own our government.

 

[ludin]

Clearly, the Court has become far more polarized than in years past. All you need for proof is the number of recent 5-4 decisions, particularly in landmark cases.

The one thing that might save the Court, and gives me some hope, is the fact that these are lifetime positions. That removes justices from the necessity of having to pander for votes, or reappointment, the way they otherwise would. A few justices throughout history, even though appointed by presidents of a certain ideology, ended up disappointing the presidents who appointed them. Byron White, appointed by JFK, was more conservative than expected. Earl Warren, appointed by Eisenhower, was more liberal. Same with John Paul Stevens, appointed by Gerald Ford, and so on.

Current chief justice John Roberts, appointed by W. Bush, is mostly reliably conservative, but has exhibited independence in a few cases from traditional conservative orthodoxy. Of course, there's Brett Kavanaugh, right-wing justice extraordinaire, who didn't even try to hide his right-wing bias during his hearing last year.

Hopefully the judiciary will always be a lifetime appointment. This is the best way to ensure that they remain as independent as possible.

So what unconstitutional rulings has Kavanaugh issued?
Be specific.

 

[Mr Person]

I better not stick around in this thread or I'll give myself an anyeurism. There are so many hostile false assumptions about how judicial decisionmaking works here, and the people making those assumptions are apparently blind to the fact that it is their political biases that lead them to make the assumptions.

In other words, no, SCOTUS justices do not say "well, I'm just going to figure out how to rule in favor of the party that appointed me" or anything like it. If you're saying that's the way it works, that's your bias talking.




Politicians appoint justices whose rulings they tend to like politically. It's ridiculous to twist that into a conclusion that the justices rule the way they do because of whom appointed them. It's bass-ackwards and no doubt has a lot to do with how popular it is for people who don't know how the law works or why it works the way it does to hate attorneys.

 

[Trump]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

you can thank harry reid for getting rid of filibuster .......Mitch warned him....Dems shortsighted....see impeachment polling as evidence

 

[Bullseye]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

Yes, I do. A few months ago I posted a link that analyzed the Court's 2017-2018 season. I'll see if I can resurrect it later. The upshot was the justices do, in fact often cross "party" lines; As I recall the conservative justices did it on a higher percentage of decisions than did the liberal ones. One of the surprises I also recall was that on the roughly 5-4 split decisions 9 were along party lines.

So, yes, I do believe SCOTUS judges fairly and in accordance with Constitutional provisions.


Found it!

here were 67 decisions after argument in the term that ended in June. In those cases, the four justices appointed by Democratic presidents voted the same way 51 times, while the five Republican appointees held tight 37 times. And of the 20 cases where the court split 5-4, only seven had the “expected” ideological divide of conservatives over liberals. By the end of the term, each conservative justice had joined the liberals as the deciding vote at least once.
That dynamic isn’t something that sprang up in the Trump era or with the court’s newest personnel. In the 2014-15 term, with Kennedy at the height of his “swing vote” power —the last full term before Justice Antonin Scalia’s death and resulting year-long vacancy — the four liberals stuck together in 55 of 66 cases, while the four conservatives (not counting Kennedy) voted as a unit in 39.
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In sum, if lockstep voting and a results-driven court concern us, it isn’t the conservatives we should be worried about. While senators, journalists and academics love decrying the Roberts Five, it’s the (Ruth Bader) Ginsburg Four that represent a bloc geared toward progressive policy outcomes. To be sure, a reinvigorated conservative grouping may yet come to dominate the court — especially if Trump fills another seat — but it hasn’t happened yet.

 

[Bullseye]

Having just read his book A Republic if you can keep it, I found Justice Neil Gorsuch's observations about making decisions even if they conflict with personal opinions very interesting.

YouTube

 

[Bullseye]

Apparently you have never hear do of hyperbole. You are right the SCOTUS should act as a separate independent branch of government, but I do not believe they are with this group. Even Trump calls them his court and I believe he is right. We shall see how they rule in the cases involving Trump before them. Just taking up the tax case when all of the lower courts have ruled against trump gives us an idea that they will rule in favor of trump, even though it will be the start of the imperial presidency and go against all precedents.

So, your litmus test is deciding against Trump? Isn't that the most partisan criterion of all? Not even just partisan, but PERSONAL.

 

[aociswundumho]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do.

If you want the court controlled by the constitution, then say goodbye to social security and medicare.

 

[Bullseye]

Clearly, the Court has become far more polarized than in years past. All you need for proof is the number of recent 5-4 decisions, particularly in landmark cases.

The one thing that might save the Court, and gives me some hope, is the fact that these are lifetime positions. That removes justices from the necessity of having to pander for votes, or reappointment, the way they otherwise would. A few justices throughout history, even though appointed by presidents of a certain ideology, ended up disappointing the presidents who appointed them. Byron White, appointed by JFK, was more conservative than expected. Earl Warren, appointed by Eisenhower, was more liberal. Same with John Paul Stevens, appointed by Gerald Ford, and so on.

Current chief justice John Roberts, appointed by W. Bush, is mostly reliably conservative, but has exhibited independence in a few cases from traditional conservative orthodoxy. Of course, there's Brett Kavanaugh, right-wing justice extraordinaire, who didn't even try to hide his right-wing bias during his hearing last year.

Hopefully the judiciary will always be a lifetime appointment. This is the best way to ensure that they remain as independent as possible.

See the actual facts on split decisions and which "side" crosses the line most often in post #16. You're gonna be surprised.

 

[Bullseye]

the SCOTUS is not yet as completely compromised as the senate. they are still capable of making decisions that do not reflect blind fealty to the idiot king. it's important to vote out as many cultists as possible along with defeating King Tangface at the polls so that he doesn't have a chance to further damage the courts with loyalists.

By "compromised" I assume you mean "not controlled by Democrats".

 

[Bullseye]

The do the bidding of who gave them their job. That boils down to the rich and powerful who own both parties. They do not do the bidding of either party but the people who own and fund both parties. That is not We the People. It is the rich who fund our candidates and own our government.

There's no "bidding" to do.

 

[Bullseye]

I better not stick around in this thread or I'll give myself an anyeurism. There are so many hostile false assumptions about how judicial decisionmaking works here, and the people making those assumptions are apparently blind to the fact that it is their political biases that lead them to make the assumptions.

In other words, no, SCOTUS justices do not say "well, I'm just going to figure out how to rule in favor of the party that appointed me" or anything like it. If you're saying that's the way it works, that's your bias talking.




Politicians appoint justices whose rulings they tend to like politically. It's ridiculous to twist that into a conclusion that the justices rule the way they do because of whom appointed them. It's bass-ackwards and no doubt has a lot to do with how popular it is for people who don't know how the law works or why it works the way it does to hate attorneys.

This makes sense. Well said.

 

[Hypothetical]

When you have justices like RBG taking pop shots at Trump there is no way our a Supreme Court could be considered impartial.

All my life it’s been a political court that swings from left to right every so often. After Trump is out of office it will not suddenly become impartial, at best it will just swing to a side that is partial in a way some agree with unlike the present lean of the court.[/QUOTE
With this court it may be 20 years before Trump is out of office. And with the way trump acts, the whole SCOTUS should be saying something, but controlled as they are by trump and the GOP, they will not. I bet in the end, the present SCOTUS will side every time with Trump. I be you will not take that bet, will you?

yeah, because that's going to happen, right? sheesh.

 

[jimbo]

I suspect I am not the only one who has lost all belief in the present SCOTUS. I see it as the real kangaroo court that is ruled and controlled not by the constitution, but the desires of whatever the GOP want them to do. In the past we have had liberal and conservative SCOTUS, but all just gave their interpretation of our constitution. Now what I see is four plus one, Roberts, GOP members controlling the court. And with McConnell pushing many unqualified, but GOP controlled judges on the lower courts, I see nothing good for our legal system in the future. GOPers seem happy with all of this since they are only about winning and have no real love for this country and or institutions, but it is making us into the ugliest type of government we once complained about in other countries. Trump says that his supporters will want him to run for a third term and I would not doubt that the court system by that time would allow it and to hell with our constitution. what did trump say, that the constitution was written to keep him from doing as he wants and he is right. The framers knew that a times would come when we would have elected someone like trump and that is why they wrote it to control someone like him. Too bad the GOP is so afraid of him they will not do so and neither will the present SCOTUS that is controlled by him through the GOP.

"Elections have consequences. You lost"