People who don't like the limitations the Bill of RIghts imposes on the federal government try to undermine those restrictions with all sorts of silly diversions
Maybe you ought to watch the video then. :roll:
So if I have a right to property, does that mean I can claim the moon? Can anyone? If not, why not? After all, you are saying we have a right to own things, to property. What property do people have a right to own exactly?
like actually having a sense of humor.
No, this guy is Napoleon. Here's that video you wanted a link to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c-oOxphvg
trying to limit our rights and expand the power of government is not something freedom loving Americans find humorous
At what point does an action that you can do become a 'natural right'? (e.g. throwing stones at fish)
At what point does an action that you can no longer do not become a 'natural right'? (e.g. as someone said, claim the moon)
Choosing not to excersize a right is not the same as someone blocking you from using it.Not at all, because choosing not to engage in a right because of potential deterrents does not make said right inalienable.
Right, they change with the civil structure as opposed to remaining consistent regardless of the civil structure. This makes life, liberty & property civil rights, not inalienable natural rights.Life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness have existed since the mythical Garden of Eden. They have not changed in all the time humans have lived on Earth. The words we use to describe them may change, the way we administrate and control them via various forms of social structure and government may change, but the concepts themselves have not and will not change.
Nobody can limit rights that you don't have in the first place.
The 19th effectively gave females the right to vote. There is no doubt about that in the rational mind of any thinking person who knows history.
It most certainly does and I already gave you several examples including rights contained in the Sixth Amendment and the various right to vote provisions.
Everything in that article confirms that the right to vote was given to women by the 19th Amendment. This proves you wrong beyond any doubt. For you to deny it - yet again - is simply a sign of your refusal to accept reality and fact because it would destroy your extremist self imposed belief system.
Right, they change with the civil structure as opposed to remaining consistent regardless of the civil structure. This makes life, liberty & property civil rights, not inalienable natural rights.
Nobody can limit rights that you don't have in the first place.
you at in the pacific ocean on a ship hundreds of miles from other land, and a island were to appear out of nowhere, and you step ashore on it and no one is there but you, can you claim it as your property....... of course you can
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You have the right to property that you ethically or legally acquired. A pretty simple concept actually.
You can claim it as such, just as someone could claim a car that just happened to be sitting in a parking spot with the keys in it, but that doesn't mean you own it unless someone else or yourself are able to defend that property as yours. For most people, who live in societies, those societies recognize certain boundaries of ownership. But that is because, as a collective, the people in those societies recognize the ownership rights. It really is a might makes "rights" thing in that case because if you and/or those who actually do accept your ownership of that property cannot defend it, then it can easily become the other person's if they are strong enough to defeat you.
sorry that not even the same.
your car is in among property, in society.
my island is not part of either, so your example is bad.
Sure, you can claim the moon. Can you get yourself to the moon though?
Your car is recognized as your property for only one of two reasons. Either a) society recognizes it as such and is willing to defend that recognition for you or b) you are capable of preventing anyone who would otherwise want to claim the car/use the car from doing so. And the second one presupposes that either society doesn't concern itself with such issues or you are even capable enough to prevent society from relieving you of ownership to that car.
you need to stick with the island not your car.
if i find an island and it is not in the jurisdiction of any nation, and no person has made claim to it.......it is mine.
Says who? You? How long do you maintain "ownership" of that island?
i do, and if i am an american and and my life is threaten, it is the duty of the u.s.federal government to protect me.
just like they protect americans on foreign soil or at sea.
Only because American laws recognizes you as a citizen and maritime law recognizes certain claims on islands that are not already claimed. However, all of that necessitates that those laws exist and that recognition exists, which are man made and subject to change at any time. So your claim on the land means absolutely zilch without the recognition of others saying that they agree to your claim and them being willing to defend you and your claim.
it is the duty of the u.s. to protect all citizens abroad and at sea from threats.
if i was on an island, which i own and not within the jurisdiction of the u.s. or any other nation and i and others were say fighting off pirates who landed on the island and will kill me, and i could get a radio message to the u.s. federal government for help. ..it is their duty to respond.
just like the people who were sailing off the coast of Somalia, the u.s. responded.
Only because the US has agreed that it is its duty to do so. The citizens of the US agree that they should defend other US citizens. The US doesn't have to agree to that. If enough people said "let them take care of themselves", what exactly could you do?
No, this guy is Napoleon. Here's that video you wanted a link to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5c-oOxphvg
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