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Do you agree that Christianity, Judaism and Islam share the same God? (1 Viewer)

Do you agree that Christianity, Judaism and Islam share the same god?

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Nope. Not a chance.

And by the way, if you CHOOSE to do your research, you'll find Paul agrees with Jesus on the main points of the faith.

Quote from link below: "Following is a brief alphabetical list comparing the words of Christ with the words of Paul. We can clearly see that they were indeed in agreement and that the critics who would set Paul against Christ don't know what they're talking about."

https://carm.org/questions/other-questions/did-jesus-and-paul-teach-same-thing
 
Logicman said:
More nonsense.
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I will go on a head to head with you about the prophecies, as long as there are no 'raw links' used as so called 'evidence', and that the source of any quotes is shown. since there are so many little tiny ones, we can concentrate on Isaiah 7:14 and Isaiah 53. Think you can rise to the challenge??? Or will you back out.
 

Yes......and all that means is that the "Gospels" were crafted by the followers of Paul--using the letters of Paul (which came years before the "Gospels") as a guide to craft the similarities in the words of Paul and his invented "Christ."
 

The Koran copied parts of the Bible and distorted other parts.

'Allah' isn't the same god as in the Bible.

"The God in the Bible is called the God of the Jews, an impossibility with Allah. They are called his chosen people, but they are not Allah’s chosen. Allah commands the Muslim to not take the Jews or Christians as friends (Sura.5:51 disdains the Jews). Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130). So how could Israel inherit the land or any of God’s promises from Allah, if Allah is their God? Clearly he is not the same God of the Bible."

"Allah, the “Moon God - Before Muhammad the Arabs had 360 'gods'. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god). The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kings. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jeremiah 8:2; 19:13; Zephaniah 1:5, etc.). When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead."

That - and not the Bible - is the genesis of Allah.

https://righterreport.com/.../do-muslims-and-christians.../

Allah denies that Jesus is divine and that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. God would not affirm his Son in Christianity and then deny him in Islam.
 

Your sources have problems. The blog you quote from quotes from another source that is highly inaccurate. Allah is just a word that gets translated as God. Arab Christians use the term ALLAH for the Christian God.

The "Jesus is savior' site that insane blog quotes is conspiracy theory..making claims about 911, and has such claims as


Can you honestly say that you think this site gives accurate information???
 

Are you saying that the god described in the OT and in the Torah doesn't make similar demands of sacrifice or exhortations to kill/enslave/rape their neighbors as the god of the qu'ran?
What demands does the qu'ranic god make that are more vile than the ones in those stories?
And if you have read the qu'ran, what does it say about Abraham?
 

:doh No serious theologian has ever said that Islam "replaces" Judaism or Christianity, nor that this was ever Islam's goal.

The closest equivalent is that Islam is perceived by believers as an "upgrade" to Judaism and Christianity. And references to "people of the book" (Jews and Christians) indicate that they deserve a higher level of respect than atheists and pagans.
 




What does an upgrade do?


It replaces the older version.


semantics.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
But you just said we weren't discussing it in this thread. Make up your mind, already...
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It's obvious by your silly little games that you have nothing of substance to add. As per usual.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Not necessarily. It could just add material to the older version, and/or alter only some of it. You don't "upgrade" the Mac OS with Windows.
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:shrug: I've given my viewpoint on the matter. I knew some would disagree. I'm not particularly interested in arguing about it.
 

Isaiah 53? You say the suffering servant is Israel. So address each of these 8 individual points in the link that blows your claim out of the water.

1. The servant of Isaiah 53 is an innocent and guiltless sufferer. Israel is never described as sinless. Isaiah 1:4 says of the nation: "Alas sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity. A brood of evildoers, children who are corrupters!" He then goes on in the same chapter to characterize Judah as Sodom, Jerusalem as a harlot, and the people as those whose hands are stained with blood (verses 10, 15, and 21). What a far cry from the innocent and guiltless sufferer of Isaiah 53 who had "done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth!"

2. The prophet said: "It pleased the LORD to bruise him." Has the awful treatment of the Jewish people (so contrary, by the way, to the teaching of Jesus to love everyone) really been God's pleasure, as is said of the suffering of the servant in Isaiah 53:10 ? If, as some rabbis contend, Isaiah 53 refers to the holocaust, can we really say of Israel's suffering during that horrible period, "It pleased the LORD to bruise him?" Yet it makes perfect sense to say that God was pleased to have Messiah suffer and die as our sin offering to provide us forgiveness and atonement.

Why Israel Cannot be the Suffering Servant in Isaiah 53
 
Vox said:
Yes......and all that means is that the "Gospels" were crafted by the followers of Paul--using the letters of Paul (which came years before the "Gospels") as a guide to craft the similarities in the words of Paul and his invented "Christ."
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Paul, as Saul, persecuted the earliest Christians. Thus, Christianity and Christ preceded Saul/Paul and his followers. So nice try.

Apart from that, when you have some serious evidence to back up your claims let me know.
 


Let's look at a few things. First.. let's look at your source. 'Chaim.org'. Does it have an agenda to being with?? According to the Chaim.org web site, they are
A Evangelical, Reformed, and Covenantal ministry to the Jewish people based in Glenside, Pennsylvania USA. Features a newsletter, resources for churches, .
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So, there is a distinct bias there.

The next thing.. it quoted everything but the context of Isaiah 53. It takes things out of context, in other words.

One thing you will have to understand, although Isaiah 53 is group in the book Isaiah, it is also not written by Isaiah. It is part of the '4th suffering servant' song. So, let's look at how the 'servant' is identified in the 4th servant song.

First. let's look at the start of the song

Isaiah 41:8-9

But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the offspring of Abraham, my friend; you whom I took from the ends of the earth, and called from its farthest corners, saying to you, “You are my servant, I have chosen you and not cast you off.”

In Jewish tradition, it is often common to call the nation of Israel Jacob, since Jacob was the founder of the nation... That is reference 1.

Next

Isaiah 44:1

But now hear, O Jacob my servant, Israel whom I have chosen!'


Next, the servant is specifically identified as Israel in Isaiah 44.1

And this is reenforced in Isaiah 44.2`

Isaiah 44:21

Remember these things, O Jacob, and Israel, for you are my servant; I formed you; you are my servant; O Israel, you will not be forgotten by me.


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RogueWarrior said:
Simple yes / no poll.
But please explain your answer.
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Religious Jews can pray in a mosque but they can't pray in a church according to the Halacha, because of the Christiania's believe in the Trinity unlike the Muslim. The Muslim laws are mistakes but they praying to the same God as Jews. This what I remember from the yeshiva.
 
Wait, there is more!!

Isaiah 45:4

For the sake of my servant Jacob, and Israel my chosen, I called you by your name, I name you, though you do not know me.
Isaiah 48:20

Go out from Babylon, flee from Chaldea, declare this with a shout of joy, proclaim it, send it out to the end of the earth; say, “The Lord has redeemed his servant Jacob!”


Isaiah 49:3

And he said to me, “You are my servant, Israel, in whom I will be glorified.”


From A nice Jewish rabbi


Continuing on from the same source (skipping quite a bit, but those people interested in the Jewish viewpoint can look)

 
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