Do we need a psychological condition identified about obsesson with Saul Alinsky and George Soros?

They're two people have negligible impact on American politics. But a large part of the country is obsessed with them. It seems every single issue can bring out one of their names.

It's like the worst paranoia about 'the commies are behind everything', or 'The trilateral commission is behind everything', or 'the Roschchilds are behind everything', and so on. Paranoid conspiracy theories about arch villains.

Nevermind that they completely misrepresent both people. The issue is that they have made them into all-powerful evil figures and their names come up constantly.

I found it bizarre, then I found it worrisome, then I found it funny, but now I'm seeing it as mental problems.

It happens so constantly - including today on this forum - and is so irrational and interfering with their ability to understand issues - that I wonder if it's time for it to be recognized as a formal mental issue. They'd probably need to make it more generic, but it's basically those two names for a long time.

Unfortunately, only poor quality posts can be expected from any of them. They can't understand the problem; they can only say things like 'whatabout Democrats blaming so and so too much' in a bad case of false equivalency. It does seem to be more than just one more oddity to feel sorry for them about. It's a remarkably widespread obsession based on nothing but their own mythmaking.

No one notices this obsession?

Craig234 said:

They're two people have negligible impact on American politics. But a large part of the country is obsessed with them. It seems every single issue can bring out one of their names.

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The condition is already duly noted, it's known as cult worship.
It doesn't really matter about Alinsky and Soros because next week it could be Betty Crocker or Mickey Mouse, and nothing about the psychodynamics would change.

Alinsky and Soros are just the "Emmanuel Goldstein du Jour".

Checkerboard Strangler said:

The condition is already duly noted, it's known as cult worship.

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It's an interesting theory to tie to cults; it's not directly cult worship itself, it's paranoid obsession, but it could be said to be part of their cult's dogma. I'm not quite sure of the link between the cult issue and the paranoid obsession issue, other than the link that it's cult dogma.

Craig234 said:

It's an interesting theory to tie to cults; it's not directly cult worship itself, it's paranoid obsession, but it could be said to be part of their cult's dogma. I'm not quite sure of the link between the cult issue and the paranoid obsession issue, other than the link that it's cult dogma.

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Put it this way...
Do you agree that Trump's lies behave on his supporters in a manner similar to drugs?

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Do you agree that Trump's lies behave on his supporters in a manner similar to drugs?

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I think there's some similarity, but so much difference I don't see a point in comparing them.

Rush, Sean and Fox are killing our great nation.

Craig234 said:

They're two people have negligible impact on American politics. But a large part of the country is obsessed with them. It seems every single issue can bring out one of their names.

It's like the worst paranoia about 'the commies are behind everything', or 'The trilateral commission is behind everything', or 'the Roschchilds are behind everything', and so on. Paranoid conspiracy theories about arch villains.

Nevermind that they completely misrepresent both people. The issue is that they have made them into all-powerful evil figures and their names come up constantly.

I found it bizarre, then I found it worrisome, then I found it funny, but now I'm seeing it as mental problems.

It happens so constantly - including today on this forum - and is so irrational and interfering with their ability to understand issues - that I wonder if it's time for it to be recognized as a formal mental issue. They'd probably need to make it more generic, but it's basically those two names for a long time.

Unfortunately, only poor quality posts can be expected from any of them. They can't understand the problem; they can only say things like 'whatabout Democrats blaming so and so too much' in a bad case of false equivalency. It does seem to be more than just one more oddity to feel sorry for them about. It's a remarkably widespread obsession based on nothing but their own mythmaking.

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What about the Koch brothers, “corporate interests”, and statues of dead people? Is there any condition for those obsessions?

Craig234 said:

They're two people have negligible impact on American politics. But a large part of the country is obsessed with them. It seems every single issue can bring out one of their names.

It's like the worst paranoia about 'the commies are behind everything', or 'The trilateral commission is behind everything', or 'the Roschchilds are behind everything', and so on. Paranoid conspiracy theories about arch villains.

Nevermind that they completely misrepresent both people. The issue is that they have made them into all-powerful evil figures and their names come up constantly.

I found it bizarre, then I found it worrisome, then I found it funny, but now I'm seeing it as mental problems.

It happens so constantly - including today on this forum - and is so irrational and interfering with their ability to understand issues - that I wonder if it's time for it to be recognized as a formal mental issue. They'd probably need to make it more generic, but it's basically those two names for a long time.

Unfortunately, only poor quality posts can be expected from any of them. They can't understand the problem; they can only say things like 'whatabout Democrats blaming so and so too much' in a bad case of false equivalency. It does seem to be more than just one more oddity to feel sorry for them about. It's a remarkably widespread obsession based on nothing but their own mythmaking.

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The Soviets diagnosed those who fell out of line with "political schizophrenia". I don't see why you can't just run with that.

Craig234 said:

I think there's some similarity, but so much difference I don't see a point in comparing them.

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There is some similarity because they are indeed behaving like drug addicts.
Trump's hardcore base have abandoned literally everything that remotely resembles conservative values, surrendered all of it for a simple lock on power.

And as far as they're concerned, they don't even care if they are hearing the truth.

Now please drop the other shoe, if you would be so kind, and clarify what you think is different.
I'm all ears.

Checkerboard Strangler said:

Now please drop the other shoe, if you would be so kind, and clarify what you think is different.

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While they both involve dysfunction, one is biologically-caused and general dysfunction, while the other is psychological/cognitive programming for specific dysfunction. Someone incapacitated by drugs might not be able to drive well or do any politics well; the cult might be able to drive fine, and very unable to do any of the politics around their cult well, but be rational about, say, unrelated politics elsewhere.

Your question is a bit like saying 'what's the difference between their being hit in the head by a blunt object' and either drugs OR the cult.

There might be similarities, but they're different things.

I just don't see the similarities between drugs and the cult to be enough to make the comparison of use. Just saying how it's a cult and that's bad seems enough to make the point without dragging in other harms.

Craig234 said:

They're two people have negligible impact on American politics. But a large part of the country is obsessed with them. It seems every single issue can bring out one of their names.

It's like the worst paranoia about 'the commies are behind everything', or 'The trilateral commission is behind everything', or 'the Roschchilds are behind everything', and so on. Paranoid conspiracy theories about arch villains.

Nevermind that they completely misrepresent both people. The issue is that they have made them into all-powerful evil figures and their names come up constantly.

I found it bizarre, then I found it worrisome, then I found it funny, but now I'm seeing it as mental problems.

It happens so constantly - including today on this forum - and is so irrational and interfering with their ability to understand issues - that I wonder if it's time for it to be recognized as a formal mental issue. They'd probably need to make it more generic, but it's basically those two names for a long time.

Unfortunately, only poor quality posts can be expected from any of them. They can't understand the problem; they can only say things like 'whatabout Democrats blaming so and so too much' in a bad case of false equivalency. It does seem to be more than just one more oddity to feel sorry for them about. It's a remarkably widespread obsession based on nothing but their own mythmaking.

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As the very real syndrome of TDS rages in your deluded mind, you lash out against the evil “other” with accusations of mental illness.
This is called “projection” in psychological terms.

Alinsky? Soros? No, neither. Freud.

Craig234 said:

While they both involve dysfunction, one is biologically-caused and general dysfunction, while the other is psychological/cognitive programming for specific dysfunction. Someone incapacitated by drugs might not be able to drive well or do any politics well; the cult might be able to drive fine, and very unable to do any of the politics around their cult well, but be rational about, say, unrelated politics elsewhere.

Your question is a bit like saying 'what's the difference between their being hit in the head by a blunt object' and either drugs OR the cult.

There might be similarities, but they're different things.

I just don't see the similarities between drugs and the cult to be enough to make the comparison of use. Just saying how it's a cult and that's bad seems enough to make the point without dragging in other harms.

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I was talking about addiction, not the properties of the drugs or their effects.
If a crackhead is jonesing badly enough for a hit, they'll sit by nonchalantly while the dealer slaps their girlfriend around.
They react with hostility if you discuss negative qualities of their lives as addicts, they will do almost anything to protect their supply and they'll do almost anything and give up almost anything to get more of the drug.

The drug is Trump's lies, "sticking it to the libtards" and maintaining the illusion that they are all in on his good fortune, and that anything negative is almost certainly the fault of "the libs", and that latter item is a carbon copy of the rationalization an addict makes about their own lives when things turn negative due to the consequences of their addiction. You cannot reason with them until they hit absolute rock bottom, sometimes not even then.

An addict takes no responsibility for anything...need I say more, other than I am in my twenty-sixth year of sobriety and, to me, these pattern similarities are well nigh indisputable. I was that crackhead, I did sacrifice almost everything to protect my addiction, I did sit idly by while my dealer was abusive to my girlfriend, I did not take any responsibility, I did deflect and rationalize.
I was that crackhead.

Sorry but to me, it's as clear and plain as the nose on my face, buddy! :lamo
Hardcore Trumpers behave like drug addicts and Trump behaves like their dealer.
They are as utterly disconnected from reality as they can possibly be, and they do not, in point of fact, care if he lies to them every single day...just keep "the drug" coming.

Cultism and drug addiction, real actual hardcore drug addiction, are as close as brother and sister in their mechanics and dynamics, and another close cousin is hardcore religious ultra-fundamentalism.

You cannot reason with them until they hit absolute rock bottom, sometimes not even then.