Do UFO's exist as we imagine that word in our minds like flying saucers and the TicTac incident?

[bongsaway]

What I'm driving at are security clearances and what levels of security exist and who can see what AND does a person even know what exists above their clearance level? Let's use the hydrogen bomb as an example, what was the level of security for it?

Yes, the hydrogen bomb was indeed developed under extreme secrecy. The US program to develop it, announced in 1950, was classified at the highest level. This included the "Policy and Progress in the H-Bomb Program," a document containing the history of the first successful design, which was classified as "top secret". The US was the first nation to test a hydrogen bomb on November 1, 1952. Even today, many details of the design and the Teller-Ulam design, a key concept behind modern hydrogen bombs, remain military secrets.

However, I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up with government reports on paper and they say ufo's were classified two levels above the hydrogen bomb. Now if the government didn't believe in them, why such high secrecy in 1950?

 

[Helix]

Space aliens in flying saucers have visited the earth 0 times.

 

[dmpi]

UFOs will forever be tied with goverment secrecy because of the Roswell incident.

Roswell incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[noonereal]

, I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up with government reports on paper and they say ufo's were classified two levels above the hydrogen bomb. Now if the government didn't believe in them, why such high secrecy in

Oh come on.
I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up by reports on paper that their is a God.

See? Same crap.

 

[bongsaway]

Oh come on.
I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up by reports on paper that their is a God.

See? Same crap.

You got any video of god doing anything? There is plenty of video worldwide, including video from various militaries around the world to dismiss it that easily.

 

[noonereal]

You got any video of god doing anything? There is plenty of video worldwide, including video from various militaries around the world to dismiss it that easily.

Video of what. Your video of Martians is the SAME video of my God.

Think about it.
Seriously

Just the other day I say Jesus in my coffee cup. See how that works. You see what you want to see. Basic pycology.

 

[Loulit01]

If aliens are smart enough to get here, they're smart enough to stay hidden if they want to. There's no credible evidence, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

 

[noonereal]

absence of evidence

Means nothing. Thank you.

 

[KingLeo]

I seriously doubt UFOs exist.
Any civilization advanced enough to be able to accomplish interstellar flight from light years away would certainly be advanced enough to easily avoid our primitive detection devices.

 

[Sweden]

If aliens are smart enough to get here, they're smart enough to stay hidden if they want to. There's no credible evidence, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

No! These aliens are illegal and the gallant ICE agents will get every one of them.

 

[pinqy]

What I'm driving at are security clearances and what levels of security exist and who can see what AND does a person even know what exists above their clearance level? Let's use the hydrogen bomb as an example, what was the level of security for it?

Yes, the hydrogen bomb was indeed developed under extreme secrecy. The US program to develop it, announced in 1950, was classified at the highest level. This included the "Policy and Progress in the H-Bomb Program," a document containing the history of the first successful design, which was classified as "top secret". The US was the first nation to test a hydrogen bomb on November 1, 1952. Even today, many details of the design and the Teller-Ulam design, a key concept behind modern hydrogen bombs, remain military secrets.

However, I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up with government reports on paper and they say ufo's were classified two levels above the hydrogen bomb. Now if the government didn't believe in them, why such high secrecy in 1950?

Of course UFOs exist. There’s just no reason to think they’re alien spacecraft. By definition, they are UNIDENTIFIED: something was seen but it was unclear what it was.

One problem with Freedom of Information Act requests is what information is available., let’s say NSA intercepted communications from a Soviet military aircraft that reported a UFO. NSA would respond to the FOIA request but would have to redact how the comma were collected and any information that could possibly reveal that method, any decryption, etc. And if it is known to NSA what the object was, such as any type of spyplane or any stealth aircraft, or covert operations aircraft etc, that could not be revealed either.

So all that would be left be a vague report that a UFO was spotted and a lot of blacked out stuff. R

 

[Revelation]

there are only 2 powers in this world; the greatest is God and the lesser is the devil and his minions.

so no, the UFO's are not from some alien society to start with.

in the End, the anti-christ will use these devils to support his fascist world order.

there, now you have the whole ufo mystery solved in 3 lines. any more questions, or should we stay mystified, confused by the Powers that be running the show.

or we could repent and follow Jesus, bypass all the miss info fed to you by the Oligarchy.

most sheep have Zero discernment and head over the cliff that way.

take a U-turn my sheep friends, God is waiting for you.


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[Noodlegawd]

You got any video of god doing anything? There is plenty of video worldwide, including video from various militaries around the world to dismiss it that easily.

There are no clear videos of space aliens or their ships.

 

[Mithrae]

I seriously doubt UFOs exist.
Any civilization advanced enough to be able to accomplish interstellar flight from light years away would certainly be advanced enough to easily avoid our primitive detection devices.

Not necessarily. With our current technologies humanity could likely build a generation ship with a reasonable chance of reaching nearby star systems within a couple of thousand years - a blink of a cosmic eye - if we were sufficiently motivated. But even having technology for interstellar travel at a reasonable fraction of light speed needn't automatically translate into technologies to be invisible in orbit or in atmospheric flight.

 

[Revelation]

I seriously doubt UFOs exist.
Any civilization advanced enough to be able to accomplish interstellar flight from light years away would certainly be advanced enough to easily avoid our primitive detection devices.

Not necessarily. With our current technologies humanity could likely build a generation ship with a

reasonable chance of reaching nearby star systems within a couple of thousand years

couple thousand years ???

not gonna happen, we wont be around that long, so discard that type of thinking friends.

even if you got to another star system, then what?

- a blink of a cosmic eye - if we were sufficiently motivated. But even having technology for interstellar travel at a reasonable fraction of light speed needn't automatically translate into technologies to be invisible in orbit or in atmospheric flight.

 

[Mithrae]

However, I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up with government reports on paper and they say ufo's were classified two levels above the hydrogen bomb. Now if the government didn't believe in them, why such high secrecy in 1950?

Telling everyone what something isn't (eg. not an alien spacecraft) helps narrow down the field on what it might be. As @dmpi posted the whole Roswell incident was based on a reluctance to reveal a military balloon program. Keeping cards close to the chest is pretty much a high-level military default, particularly during the Cold War. They classified experiments into psychic powers, telepathy and mind control too

 

[bongsaway]

Video of what. Your video of Martians is the SAME video of my God.

Think about it.
Seriously

Just the other day I say Jesus in my coffee cup. See how that works. You see what you want to see. Basic pycology.

I did think about your scenario, it's ridiculous. I never mentioned martians, why are you? Because you are pulling stuff out of thin air, that's why.

 

[bongsaway]

Of course UFOs exist. There’s just no reason to think they’re alien spacecraft. By definition, they are UNIDENTIFIED: something was seen but it was unclear what it was.

One problem with Freedom of Information Act requests is what information is available., let’s say NSA intercepted communications from a Soviet military aircraft that reported a UFO. NSA would respond to the FOIA request but would have to redact how the comma were collected and any information that could possibly reveal that method, any decryption, etc. And if it is known to NSA what the object was, such as any type of spyplane or any stealth aircraft, or covert operations aircraft etc, that could not be revealed either.

So all that would be left be a vague report that a UFO was spotted and a lot of blacked out stuff. R

There is nothing vague about military pilots catching them on radar and visual.

 

[bongsaway]

There are no clear videos of space aliens or their ships.

I did not use the word aliens, why are you?

 

[bongsaway]

Telling everyone what something isn't (eg. not an alien spacecraft) helps narrow down the field on what it might be. As @dmpi posted the whole Roswell incident was based on a reluctance to reveal a military balloon program. Keeping cards close to the chest is pretty much a high-level military default, particularly during the Cold War. They classified experiments into psychic powers, telepathy and mind control too

So when the army put out a statement saying they had a UFO those dumb asses didn't recognize it as a weather balloon? I find that exceedingly difficult to believe. I think their first released statement was accurate and what followed was a cover-up. Even Jesse Marcel said as much in his old age.

 

[Revelation]

So when the army put out a statement saying they had a UFO those dumb asses didn't recognize it as a weather balloon?

they knew exactly what they were dealing with. for the rest of us, a weather balloon cover story will do just fine. many sheep fear knowing the Truth of any kind and will be served in like manner.

I find that exceedingly difficult to believe. I think their first released statement was accurate and what followed was a cover-up. Even Jesse Marcel said as much in his old age.

we are not ready even today for full disclosure. watch them debate this in open session in Congress, a few more details are leaking out, but most of what is known is behind closed doors.

to this day, many of us even on the CT forum still don't get it and the Elite want to leave them that way for their own purposes. it serves no purpose to give you all the Truth concerning these things.

eventually you all will go thru a Paradigm shift and will be introduced to aliens, ufo's, the False prophet of Revelation and the anti-christ. the atheists will all believe and receive the 'mark of the beast'.

well that is the most of it Bongs, i have been aware of this stuff for years from the study of Bible Prophecy; this is just Boiler Plate 101 info. i may dig up other stuff for this thread, but i don't think you are ready for it.

if this forum can't even recognize God, then the atheists are clueless concerning Spiritual warfare and it will be dismissed.


blessings all, happy monday till the end of time.

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[Noodlegawd]

I did not use the word aliens, why are you?

That's what people "imagine that word in our minds" about the word "UFOs".

What were you getting at if not that?

 

[pinqy]

There is nothing vague about military pilots catching them on radar and visual.

Didn't say there was.

 

[Noodlegawd]

There is nothing vague about military pilots catching them on radar and visual.

There's plenty about it that's vague, including the capabilities of the systems that were used to capture them on radar and visual, and how not understanding those capabilities would result in most people not understanding what they're seeing in those videos.

 

[Perotista]

What I'm driving at are security clearances and what levels of security exist and who can see what AND does a person even know what exists above their clearance level? Let's use the hydrogen bomb as an example, what was the level of security for it?

Yes, the hydrogen bomb was indeed developed under extreme secrecy. The US program to develop it, announced in 1950, was classified at the highest level. This included the "Policy and Progress in the H-Bomb Program," a document containing the history of the first successful design, which was classified as "top secret". The US was the first nation to test a hydrogen bomb on November 1, 1952. Even today, many details of the design and the Teller-Ulam design, a key concept behind modern hydrogen bombs, remain military secrets.

However, I have seen a few documentaries from some well documented people who only use facts that can be backed up with government reports on paper and they say ufo's were classified two levels above the hydrogen bomb. Now if the government didn't believe in them, why such high secrecy in 1950?

The government has had several programs of UFO investigations from Bluebook to UAP/UAPTF and numerous in-between. So, the government is definitely interested in them, probably from the Foo Fighters of WWII until today. What does our government know about UFO’s, who knows as you pointed it, it’s classified? Not only by our government, but it seems every government in the world puts the secret stamp on UFOs and their activity.

But are they piloted by intelligent beings? Probably not as far as I’m concerned. I more apt to believe they’re drones or piloted by robots. But I’d say they do exist from the tiny orbs to what we imagine as flying saucers or spacecraft.