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I also think its childish for people who claim to be informed and want to argue taxes yet they demand proof of stuff that has been posted thousands of times here in an apparent attempt to delay or divert away from the idiocy of their own weak argument.
for Molten Dragon to not know what percentage of the income tax the top one percent pays ought to disqualify him from ever being taken seriously on this issue
But MSNBC will never tell you that. ;-)
Here are some facts-probably the fiftieth time it has been posted in one form or another
National Taxpayers Union - Who Pays Income Taxes?
Top 1 Percent Pay 37 Percent of Income Taxes - Hit & Run : Reason.com
these show that the richest 1 percent only earned about 17% of the income-down a few points from a few years ago
Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data | Tax Foundation
Many view taxation as a "contribution" much like charity. They feel that their personal expenses rank first, so all of their income that they wish to spend on themselves should be their "deduction" and then they will allow "fair" taxation on the balance (if any). They see the rich as having a "fair" deduction only equal to their own, and then the rich should pay an even higher rate of tax on their balance. To them that is "fair" they may pay 12% of gross income as tax and the rich may pay 72% of gross income as tax, but since the rules are the same, it is "fair". I've seen posts on here saying that 4x the poverty rate should be the "standard" deduction, and taxation applied only after that.
you continue to persist in the stubborn assumption that what the rich pay now is fair and any attempt by the rich to actually pay what is truly fair is wrong
I want the government to massively cut spending so all taxes go down but if people like you continue to demand mucho government, then people like me shouldn't pay more
I find it idiotic that you think those who are overtaxed demanding others at least pay more for what they use is no different than those who don't pay their share demanding others pay even more
And you continue to prove that you pay little to no attention to my posts. I have not said that what the rich pay now is fair. I have repeatedly said that I think there are many things about the current tax system that are unfair and they should be changed.
I'm in favor of cutting government spending too. I've said that before too. Do you read anyone else's posts when you debate them?
I find it idiotic that you can't see the similarities between your own behavior and theirs despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.
Oh, and I'm still waiting for a link to the numbers you keep spouting.
I also think its childish for people who claim to be informed and want to argue taxes yet they demand proof of stuff that has been posted thousands of times here in an apparent attempt to delay or divert away from the idiocy of their own weak argument.
for Molten Dragon to not know what percentage of the income tax the top one percent pays ought to disqualify him from ever being taken seriously on this issue
And you continue to prove that you pay little to no attention to my posts. I have not said that what the rich pay now is fair. I have repeatedly said that I think there are many things about the current tax system that are unfair and they should be changed.
I'm in favor of cutting government spending too. I've said that before too. Do you read anyone else's posts when you debate them?
I find it idiotic that you can't see the similarities between your own behavior and theirs despite having it pointed out to you repeatedly.
Edit: Hadn't read down far enough yet to see that you actually did post a link to numbers.
its your last sentence that is stupefying. There is no similarity between someone who clearly is paying far more than what he uses demanding merely that others pay for what they use versus someone who is a parasite demanding that they get even more from someone else
Like I said, idiotic.
you pretend that saying other people should pay more is no different if it comes from someone who pays too much versus someone who pays nothing
You look only to what they say and not the merit of their position
I'm done trying to point your hypocrisy out to you. I've done it several times, and you insist on remaining willfully blind to it. You can lead a horse to water, and so on, and so forth.
I stopped reading right there.The government should have NOTHING to do with the economy at ALL.
I stopped reading right there.
If this is what you truly believe than you just haven't thought things through to their logical conclusion and any further conversation between us is a waste of time.
You make many assumptions in your reply - most of which are wrong.Your right and your wrong.
Your right that further coversation with you on the topic is a waste of time.
Your wrong about government should controll or manipulate the economy. You have obviously been an employee for all the years you have worked and it shows.
The truth can be cruel. Most employees have never started or ran a business. Almost all business owners have been employees. You might want to consider starting a business and walk on the darkside a bit. Then you will understand.
I stopped reading right there.
If this is what you truly believe than you just haven't thought things through to their logical conclusion and any further conversation between us is a waste of time.
Insulting me is petty and uncalled for.So we know you are lazy and afraid to look at conflicting viewpoints.
And save the 'I did not want to waste my time' nonsense...you have posted over 2700 times on this site in less then 6 months...clearly you have lots of time to waste.
You were afraid to read what I typed because you were concerned it might be right OR your mind is so closed, that you refuse to take in any other viewpoints.
You're big on judgements...not so big on providing unbiased, factual proof of those judgements.
Get some or your opinions mean little - just the rants of another frustrated Keynesian.
Where is your factual, unbiased proof that the economy is better off with government intervention?
I guarantee you that you have NONE.
Well...?
Insulting me or de-valuing my position when I didn't even state it is pretty lame.
You guys crack me up! :lamo
I'll repeat it for you since you omitted it in your quote of my last post:And yet again, you refuse to provide ANY unbiased proof to back up your claims. I will put it more simply then. I not interested in your economic opinions.Why would I be - you are just another nobody who posts on chat forums (like I am).The only thing I am truly interested in is facts.Now do you have links to unbiased facts to support your claims or don't you?Yes or no?
Good day. :2wave:Our positions are so far apart there is no reason to debate anything. Had I known your beliefs I wouldn't have bothered to response to any of your posts.
I'll repeat it for you since you omitted it in your quote of my last post: Good day. :2wave:
I will not bother proving that monopolies are bad.So in other words...you have ZERO links to unbiased factual proof to ANYTHING you say.
Just another chat forum know-it-all who when pushed is all style and NO substance.
Noted.
Have a nice day.
I will not bother proving that monopolies are bad.
I will not bother proving that dumping the dollar and any other national currency is bad.
Most people can figure out those simple truths for themselves.
You are obviously not one of those people, therefore, we have no frame of reference to discuss anything.
See ya'!
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