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Do Republicans Hate Democracy? (1 Viewer)

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Once again, we are reminded that the greatest threat to American democracy is not from without, but from within--from those who wrap themselves in the flag while dismantling the Republic stitch by stitch.

The Republican Party, faced with the disquieting reality that free and fair elections no longer favor their dwindling coalition, has turned from persuasion to subversion. Their latest campaign is as brazen as it is predictable: a legal assault on mail-in ballots, designed not to protect the integrity of elections, but to ensure their own survival by diminishing yours.

In a move of breathtaking cynicism, the Republican Party, ever vigilant in its quest to disenfranchise the American electorate, has concocted a new stratagem: an attempt to invalidate mail-in ballots that are cast legally but received after Election Day. There is no confusion here; the ballots are postmarked properly and indisputably legitimate. The offense, according to our Republican friends, lies not in when the citizen voted but when the beleaguered postal system, for reasons beyond the voter's control, delivered the sacred piece of paper.

Failing to outlaw mail-in ballots outright--a measure too brazen even for their increasingly authoritarian tastes--they now seek a subtler coup. They have launched a lawsuit in Mississippi, that florid museum piece of Old Confederacy sentiment, hoping that its reliable conservatism will allow the matter to slither upward through the Fifth Circuit and into the eager arms of the Supreme Court's right-wing majority. The plan is naked in its cunning: create a "vehicle" case, innocuously born in the hinterlands, which can deliver a national precedent that would neuter mail-in voting altogether.

Naturally, they would exempt military ballots--those still being the last reliable bastion of Republican loyalty--thus ensuring that only their voters remain enfranchised by mail, while disqualifying vast swaths of urban, young, and minority voters who prefer or depend on the mail-in system.

This is not about "voter integrity," a phrase that has become, in Republican hands, as meaningful as "peace with honor" was during the Vietnam War. It is about one thing and one thing only: ensuring that the demographics that do not favor the modern Republican Party are kept from the polls by any legal fiction necessary. Donald Trump, that witless Caligula of American politics, has even issued an executive order using this very Mississippi case as justification for a broader power grab--another brick in his creaky, flammable edifice of electoral subversion.

Were the Court to sanctify this outrage, it would open the door to an America where early voting, mail-in voting, and perhaps even counting after midnight--all normal practices in a functioning democracy--are abolished, leaving only a single day, a single method, and a single Party to reign.

Why are Republicans doing this?

The answer is as simple as it is disingenuous: because mail-in ballots disproportionately favor Democrats. Unable to ban mail-in voting outright without inviting public outrage and judicial scrutiny, Republicans have instead chosen the artful dodge--arguing not over who votes, but over when their votes arrive by mail. By attacking the mechanics, they hope to achieve by judicial decree what they cannot win at the ballot box. They seek to discard mail-in votes that arrive after Election Day, regardless of the fact that the postmark clearly proves they were cast on time. Yet is not the postmark the fair and just delineator of what constitutes a qualified ballot--aside from other, unrelated eligibility factors?

Since there is no legitimate reason to disenfranchise these voters--other than partisan advantage--it becomes clear: Republicans would ban mail-in voting in its entirety, excluding only military ballots, if they believed they could get away with it. I therefore posit that the inescapable conclusion is this: the modern Republican Party does not merely distrust democracy; it despises it. This is further buttressed by the recent phenomenon of Republican figures propagating the contemptible falsehood that America "is not a democracy," as if "Republic" and "Democracy" were mutually exclusive terms--which they most certainly are not.

Mississippi was chosen not by accident, but by design: a deep-red state to serve as a pliant courier to the Supreme Court, where a conservative majority awaits, sympathetic not to democracy but to its constriction. And military ballots? Of course, they shall remain sacrosanct, for the uniformed services trend Republican, and exceptions are made readily when they benefit the right electorate.

In short, the Republican Party has abandoned even the pretense of winning the argument of ideas; it has embraced winning the game by changing the rules. It is not voter fraud they fear. It is voting itself.

 
I think that they like restricted democracy. I mean, they speak of originalism a lot, and restricted democracy aligns with that. I don't get the sense that they actually want a military strongman, but what they don't seem to understand is that civilian strongmen can be just as autocratic and tyrannical as those who wear military stripes and sunglasses, and if things get bad enough, we could end up being run by a junta that feels it has no choice but to intervene.

Building and maintaining the systems that form the basis of modern, technologically advanced civilization is complicated. Democracy is often what ensures the fairest and most humane form of governance, but that also adds another layer of complexity on top of these complex systems that we rely on. Self-rule is inherently hard work and requires cooperation as well as competition. That's true even if our definition of democratic is more illiberal than liberal.

Increasingly, I see less and less support for the idea of cooperation coming from the right. It's strictly a zero-sum race to the bottom to see if they can leverage the law and control of institutions to overpower everyone else. That will eventually lead to open conflict, which will only stress the complex systems I speak of.
 
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Once again, we are reminded that the greatest threat to American democracy is not from without, but from within--from those who wrap themselves in the flag while dismantling the Republic stitch by stitch.

The Republican Party, faced with the disquieting reality that free and fair elections no longer favor their dwindling coalition, has turned from persuasion to subversion. Their latest campaign is as brazen as it is predictable: a legal assault on mail-in ballots, designed not to protect the integrity of elections, but to ensure their own survival by diminishing yours.
What are Republicans?

Wait, is that that quaint old political party that used to exist until 2016 or so? I think they were into family values, rule of law, conservatism, and so forth, right?

If so, then I hate to have to break this to you dude, but, well, they're gone. They were killed off sometime around 2016 by a parasite known as MAGA. MAGA has no interest in family values, rule of law, conservatism nor any of the other priorities of the former Republican Party. They're only interested pleasing this old adulterer from Florida named Donald.
 
I get easily confused by some of what you folks write around here.

Didn't a majority of legal voting folks in the USA vote for the present administration?

Isn't that kind of the first step in an election in a democratic system?
 
Why are Republicans doing this?

The answer is as simple as it is disingenuous: because mail-in ballots disproportionately favor Democrats. Unable to ban mail-in voting outright without inviting public outrage and judicial scrutiny, Republicans have instead chosen the artful dodge--arguing not over who votes, but over when their votes arrive by mail. By attacking the mechanics, they hope to achieve by judicial decree what they cannot win at the ballot box. They seek to discard mail-in votes that arrive after Election Day, regardless of the fact that the postmark clearly proves they were cast on time. Yet is not the postmark the fair and just delineator of what constitutes a qualified ballot--aside from other, unrelated eligibility factors?
I'm surprised that instead of complaining about it they aren't using the mail-in balloting criminally to their advantage. Who is going to check it now?
 
I mean duh

That is very good for illustrating what is wrong around here. The Democrat Party needs something substantive to win over the public and going around with an answer "duh" isn't going to win you any votes.

I have asked over and over what can be done to get the Democrat Party back on its feet and I keep seeing the same ole' nonsense over and over and over.

You folks just keep up with this and the Senate in 2026 is going to go further into the pocket of the opposing party.

The Democrat Party is already deep in trouble and it seems you folks here are more interested in gathering brownie points than fixing things.

This site is an excellent teaching tool for new Democrat Party new folks about what NOT to be doing to win in 2026.

That "duh" must be making the opposing forces happy, happy, happy.
 
I get easily confused by some of what you folks write around here.

Didn't a majority of legal voting folks in the USA vote for the present administration?

Isn't that kind of the first step in an election in a democratic system?
Alas, as history has shown us, democracy at times DOES fail. People vote and later regret their vote or worse, vote and become victims of what they voted for. I could give you a LONG list of undesirable outcomes from how people voted - and my parents being from Germany I can attest to how many in Germany voted in the 1930s for a certain leader.

As for your little aside about "legal" voting folks, is that a suggestion that some elections are rigged because a lot of illegal people were allowed to vote? Like maybe 2020? :rolleyes:
 
That is very good for illustrating what is wrong around here. The Democrat Party needs something substantive to win over the public and going around with an answer "duh" isn't going to win you any votes.

I have asked over and over what can be done to get the Democrat Party back on its feet and I keep seeing the same ole' nonsense over and over and over.

You folks just keep up with this and the Senate in 2026 is going to go further into the pocket of the opposing party.

The Democrat Party is already deep in trouble and it seems you folks here are more interested in gathering brownie points than fixing things.

This site is an excellent teaching tool for new Democrat Party new folks about what NOT to be doing to win in 2026.

That "duh" must be making the opposing forces happy, happy, happy.
Nice speech, but what goes around comes around. Eventually you will face a Democratic President and Congress, then all this bravado will suddenly become very mum. Mind you, when that day comes, you could always suggest something about who voted "legally" and who didn't.
 
Once again, we are reminded that the greatest threat to American democracy is not from without, but from within--from those who wrap themselves in the flag while dismantling the Republic stitch by stitch.

The Republican Party, faced with the disquieting reality that free and fair elections no longer favor their dwindling coalition, has turned from persuasion to subversion. Their latest campaign is as brazen as it is predictable: a legal assault on mail-in ballots, designed not to protect the integrity of elections, but to ensure their own survival by diminishing yours.

In a move of breathtaking cynicism, the Republican Party, ever vigilant in its quest to disenfranchise the American electorate, has concocted a new stratagem: an attempt to invalidate mail-in ballots that are cast legally but received after Election Day. There is no confusion here; the ballots are postmarked properly and indisputably legitimate. The offense, according to our Republican friends, lies not in when the citizen voted but when the beleaguered postal system, for reasons beyond the voter's control, delivered the sacred piece of paper.

Failing to outlaw mail-in ballots outright--a measure too brazen even for their increasingly authoritarian tastes--they now seek a subtler coup. They have launched a lawsuit in Mississippi, that florid museum piece of Old Confederacy sentiment, hoping that its reliable conservatism will allow the matter to slither upward through the Fifth Circuit and into the eager arms of the Supreme Court's right-wing majority. The plan is naked in its cunning: create a "vehicle" case, innocuously born in the hinterlands, which can deliver a national precedent that would neuter mail-in voting altogether.

Naturally, they would exempt military ballots--those still being the last reliable bastion of Republican loyalty--thus ensuring that only their voters remain enfranchised by mail, while disqualifying vast swaths of urban, young, and minority voters who prefer or depend on the mail-in system.

This is not about "voter integrity," a phrase that has become, in Republican hands, as meaningful as "peace with honor" was during the Vietnam War. It is about one thing and one thing only: ensuring that the demographics that do not favor the modern Republican Party are kept from the polls by any legal fiction necessary. Donald Trump, that witless Caligula of American politics, has even issued an executive order using this very Mississippi case as justification for a broader power grab--another brick in his creaky, flammable edifice of electoral subversion.

Were the Court to sanctify this outrage, it would open the door to an America where early voting, mail-in voting, and perhaps even counting after midnight--all normal practices in a functioning democracy--are abolished, leaving only a single day, a single method, and a single Party to reign.
This is neither here nor there, but I keep getting Buster Icon mixed up with Buster Keaton.
I just have to remind myself that one of the Busters is on the Left and the other is on the Right.

Mark
 
The short answer: yes. The longer answer: decidedly yes, for all the reasons listed in the OP, and then some. It can be understood through motivations - that's plural - underlying their actions.

Yes, part of it is controlling the electoral franchise - a steady effort for decades - but also extending corruption. It used to be something that erupted occasionally and caused embarrassment, now it is engrafted (pun intended) onto the process and has become policy. That's not an exaggeration. It goes beyond the oligarchy and permeates every aspect of government. Citizen United, the behavior of Justices Thomas and Alito, the explosion of inside trading, the gutting of oversight, all evidence the extension of programmatic corruption.

Another motivation is racism-xenophobia-misogyny, which goes hand-in-hand with the others, promoting the primacy of the White Male. Which gets back to the original point in the OP: keeping the power structure that has given that minority a monopoly of power - economically and politically.
 
I get easily confused by some of what you folks write around here.

Didn't a majority of legal voting folks in the USA vote for the present administration?
No, actually. The majority of voting citizens voted against it. But, worse, a huge number of constitutionally eligible voters couldn't get their votes counted or even get the opportunity to exercise it - something Republicans are pursuing around the country, as they have for nearly a century. I don't for a second believe you're confused, I believe you welcome the effort.
Isn't that kind of the first step in an election in a democratic system?
Deliberately missing the point. That's disingenuous.
 
I'm surprised that instead of complaining about it they aren't using the mail-in balloting criminally to their advantage. Who is going to check it now?
Oh, they're doing that too.
 
That is very good for illustrating what is wrong around here. The Democrat Party needs something substantive to win over the public and going around with an answer "duh" isn't going to win you any votes.

I have asked over and over what can be done to get the Democrat Party back on its feet and I keep seeing the same ole' nonsense over and over and over.

You folks just keep up with this and the Senate in 2026 is going to go further into the pocket of the opposing party.

The Democrat Party is already deep in trouble and it seems you folks here are more interested in gathering brownie points than fixing things.

This site is an excellent teaching tool for new Democrat Party new folks about what NOT to be doing to win in 2026.

That "duh" must be making the opposing forces happy, happy, happy.
You give yourself away with your condescension, disingenuity and partisan hackery. There is no "Democrat party." Why would a genuine non-partisan keep up such dishonesty?
 
Even if you support democracy, you should want it minimized as much as possible, for the simple reason that half the population has an IQ below 100, and pretending otherwise is suicidal. Mass voting isn't a sacred ritual, it's a gamble that enough people won’t be too ignorant, emotional, or easily manipulated to destroy themselves. Expanding democracy to control every part of life the way progressives want is like handing a loaded gun to a toddler and hoping he understands gun safety and has good aim.

The weimar republic contains a valuable lesson regarding what democracy can allow to happen.
 
Republicans no, but Trumplicans do
 
Republicans no, but Trumplicans do
Like unicorns, fairies and leprechaun, non- Trump Republicans seem to be mythical creatures that can't be seen. They seem to have been hunted to extinction.
 
That is very good for illustrating what is wrong around here. The Democrat Party needs something substantive to win over the public and going around with an answer "duh" isn't going to win you any votes.

You folks just keep up with this and the Senate in 2026 is going to go further into the pocket of the opposing party.
Did you not read the article? It didn’t suggest that not enough people are voting democrat; it pointed out that Republican legislatures are tossing out those that do.
 
Like unicorns, fairies and leprechaun, non- Trump Republicans seem to be mythical creatures that can't be seen. They seem to have been hunted to extinction.
They are rare but they still exist
 
Even if you support democracy, you should want it minimized as much as possible, for the simple reason that half the population has an IQ below 100, and pretending otherwise is suicidal. Mass voting isn't a sacred ritual, it's a gamble that enough people won’t be too ignorant, emotional, or easily manipulated to destroy themselves. Expanding democracy to control every part of life the way progressives want is like handing a loaded gun to a toddler and hoping he understands gun safety and has good aim.

The weimar republic contains a valuable lesson regarding what democracy can allow to happen.
And as of 2024 so does the US. People voted in the strongman because they were economically hurt and scapegoats like immigrants and trans people tickled them the right way.

Now he’s arresting judges and defying court orders.
 

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