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There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
That is a contradiction. You do NOT have to live a righteous existence if Jesus is going to wash your sins away. Which is it?
Whatever, as if you know what you are even talking about. Total fail as a thread...
I do know. I was only asking a friendly question.Why don't you know?
Why don't you know? Maybe more research into the various religions will answer your questions.
That particular part is scripture.
It depends who you ask, but from an objective POV, they do not appear to be the same God. They have very distinct personalities and goals.
OTOH, the easiest way to give your religion gravitas is to appropriate another religion's God(s). Rome did it to Greece and the Christians and Muslims did it to the Jews (who may have done it to the Zoroastrians)
There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
There are limits to what God will tolerate. You have to do your part. Jesus did his.
Why are you always on the wrong side of Christian history, Ramoss?
The murder of John the Baptist was verified by the Jewish/Roman historian Josephus:
"Now some of the Jews thought that the destruction of Herod's army came from God, and was a very just punishment for what he did against John called the baptist [the dipper]. For Herod had him killed, although he was a good man and had urged the Jews to exert themselves to virtue, both as to justice toward one another and reverence towards God, and having done so join together in washing. For immersion in water, it was clear to him, could not be used for the forgiveness of sins, but as a sanctification of the body, and only if the soul was already thoroughly purified by right actions. And when others massed about him, for they were very greatly moved by his words, Herod, who feared that such strong influence over the people might carry to a revolt -- for they seemed ready to do any thing he should advise -- believed it much better to move now than later have it raise a rebellion and engage him in actions he would regret. And so John, out of Herod's suspiciousness, was sent in chains to Machaerus, the fort previously mentioned, and there put to death; but it was the opinion of the Jews that out of retribution for John God willed the destruction of the army so as to afflict Herod." - Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews: 18.5.2 116-119
Josephus also mentions James, the brother of Jesus, being killed, in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9, paragraph 1:
"Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done."
And there's more:
"Clement of Rome (80-140 AD) confirmed Peter “endured not one but many labors, and thus having borne his testimony went to his appointed place of glory” (1 Clement 5:4). Clement also confirmed Paul “had been seven times in bonds, had been driven into exile, had been stoned” (1 Clement 5:5) and “when he had borne his testimony before the rulers, so he departed from the world and went unto the holy place, having been found a notable pattern of patient endurance” (1 Clement 5:6). Clement also described “sudden and repeated calamities and reverses which are befalling us” (1 Clement 1:1).
Ignatius (105-115 AD) described Paul as a martyr (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians, Chapter 12). He also described himself as a “a condemned man” and anticipated his martyrdom in Rome, where he would “become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God” (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans, Chapter 4). Ignatius also referred to the persecution of the Church in Antioch (The Epistle of Ignatius to the Philadelphians, Chapter 10).
Polycarp (110-140 AD) described the martyrdom of Paul “and the rest of the Apostles” in addition to the martyrdom of “Ignatius and Zosimus and Rufus” along with “others also who came from among yourselves” (Letter of Polycarp to the Philippians 9:1)"
Were the Early Christians Really Persecuted? | Cold Case Christianity
Once again, your bogus claims and heretical rantings are clearly on display.
Yet, that has nothing to do with John the Baptist being 'christian'. Do try to actually give accurate information someday. And, you really should vet your sources , 'cold case christianity' indeed.
Wrong. No limits are EVER specified.
There are three of them now - the Holy Trinity.
The answer to the question can be explained with the concept of the Trinity. The Trinity is composed of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
One way to explain this enigma is consider a man named Joe. Joe is a husband to his wife, a father to his children, and a son to his parents. He is one person, but he interacts with each family member in different ways. He is firm but fair with his children. He is loving and intimate with his wife, and he is respectful and compliant to his parents. He is still one person, but he specializes his personally to the needs of each. While each family member relates to him in a parallel way.
To the Jews, God is the Father, to the Christians God is the son, and to the Muslims he is the Holy Spirit, incarnated. The unique position in the world order of Christianity occurred because Christians are the most diversified, with all three aspect of the Holy Spirit allowable and represented. There are the "by the book" fire and brimstone Christians; Father. There are the more feeling based Christians; love, connected to God the Son, and there are the more creative and spontaneous worshippers, connected to the Holy Spirit.
They are one family, who gets together during the holidays. This is like a family during the holidays where parents, children and spouses are all in the same room. Joe has to relate to all at the same time, which merges Joes into the unique person he is. He become more playful with his children, he become bolder with his parents, and more of a goof with his wife. Some alcohol may have been consumed. Come Monday and it is back to work, and the trinity in Joe returns, helping to maximize his family.
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham
The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.
The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.
The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.
Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.
Or they are different Gods.
This comes up a lot, in a hand wave type of logic.
The God of Abraham
The Jews invented the God as we know it, granted much info came from previous religions, Summarian, etc.
They have the patient on it.
The Christians stole the God from the Jews,
added more Gods to it, changed the rules, and turned on the Jews.
The Muslims then stole the God,
eliminated the Christian Gods, instilled their own prophet,
changed the rules again, and turned on the Jews and the Christians.
Now God is either a wishy/washy schizophrenic, who simply cannot make up his mind.
Or they are different Gods.
These crimes occur in a conducive environment. A Pew Research Center survey in 2017 rated Muslims at 48 degrees, the lowest on a 0-100 "feeling thermometer" out of nine religious groups in the United States, two points lower than atheists. Particularly negative feelings towards Muslims were harbored by Republicans and those who were Republican-leaning.
The irony here is that most Americans really have no idea what is in the Quran, the Muslim equivalent of the Bible, beyond the mostly negative and out of context soundbites they hear on talk radio, cable TV or the internet. They have no idea that the three monotheistic religions that follow the same Abrahamic tradition, namely that Abraham was the first prophet of God, are Judaism, Christianity and yes, the third sibling, Islam.
All three religions were born in the Middle East and are inextricably linked to each another. While Christianity was born from within the Jewish tradition, Islam developed from both Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Islam sees itself as the culmination of the Abrahamic faiths, the final revelation by God in the monotheistic tradition.
The Quran specifically protects Jews and Christians as Peoples of the Book, the "Book" meaning revelations from God to Jews and Christians which gives them a spiritual connection to Islam.
As such, Islam recognizes as prophets many of the figures revered by Jews and Christians, including Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. For Muslims, Muhammad is not a divine being. Instead, he is a prophet through whom God delivered his message and an example of piety to emulate. Muhammad is not the equivalent of Jesus in the Islamic tradition, rather it is the Quran that occupies the same central position in Islam as Jesus does in Christianity.
It would surprise many to know that the Prophet Muhammad is only mentioned a total of four times in the Quran while Jesus, the son of Mary, is mentioned 25 times and Moses 136 times. The Quran dedicates a whole chapter to Mary, who is the only woman mentioned by name in the sacred text
And where did the "Holy Ghost" cone from, so all of a sudden?
And where did the "Holy Ghost" cone from, so all of a sudden?
You go ahead and push that theory.
This fact is why they call the 3 monotheistic religions the Abrahamic religions. The religious wars in the middle east can be thought of a form of sibling rivalry of which child or sect their god approves and loves the most.
Surprisingly to most people, the Islamic faith acknowledges this because Jesus is a prophet in that religion.
The Muslim Jesus provides common ground for Christianity, Islam | National Catholic Reporter
The irony here is that most Americans really have no idea what is in the Quran, the Muslim equivalent of the Bible, beyond the mostly negative and out of context soundbites they hear on talk radio, cable TV or the internet.
All you have to do to prove me wrong is to provide a quote from scripture in which limits to God's forgiveness are given. Easy peasy.
The religious wars in the middle east can be thought of as a form of sibling rivalry, of which child or sect their god approves and loves the most.Surprisingly to most people, the Islamic faith acknowledges this because Jesus is a prophet in that religion.
All three religions were born in the Middle East and are inextricably linked to each another. While Christianity was born from within the Jewish tradition, Islam developed from both Christianity and Judaism. In fact, Islam sees itself as the culmination of the Abrahamic faiths, the final revelation by God in the monotheistic tradition.
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