Do firearms empower people?

mperry · Oct 20, 2014

Tucker Case said:
It's easy to see because it only takes a simple analysis of the present and a moderate grasp of reality (that last bit might be hard for some, but you might be able to "fake it till you make it" on that).

How could an "overthrow" of the government occur? If enough people had enough firepower to overtake the firepower of the country that is more well armed than any otehr 10 countries combined. Since that will never happen, the government will never be overthrown.

And with regard to a civil war, if it didn't happen as a result of the Civil rights act, it ain't ever happening. That was an issue worth killing people over. The **** we deal with now? Typically a bunch of crybaby ******s being pissed off because they have no ****ing perspective on what real tyranny and suffering due to government is.

I'm not real sure where your going with this other than I agree I also dont see a civil war anytime soon. I do have a question. Lets say the government went bat **** crazy and the people did try to overthrow. You say that there is no way possible for it to happen. Do you think the military will always side with the government? I dont think they would. It would not surprise me to see them not follow orders if it came down to firing on civilians.

Ad_Captandum · Oct 20, 2014

US Conservative said:
Exercising one's rights. A means to prevent tyranny. Self defense. The means to hunt.

Do firearms empower people? Note that this is not pertaining specifically to the US or the 2nd amendment, but rather a general question.

Of course, guns do empower people. I think probably where we disagree is that I'm not sure I want certain people quite so empowered. I'd rather, for example, ISIS not be able to get their hands on guns. Now that they have, they're certainly empowered.

The same is true for right-wing nutjobs living in Montana believing the UN is going to come for them. I don't want them to have guns. But it's a plain fact that as they do have them, they're empowered, rightly or wrongly.

Tucker Case · Oct 21, 2014

mperry said:
I'm not real sure where your going with this other than I agree I also dont see a civil war anytime soon. I do have a question. Lets say the government went bat **** crazy and the people did try to overthrow. You say that there is no way possible for it to happen. Do you think the military will always side with the government? I dont think they would. It would not surprise me to see them not follow orders if it came down to firing on civilians.

If the military didn't side with the government, the government couldn't go crazy because the military is part of the government. It's not some separate entity. It's the enforcement arm of the government, ultimately.

So your hypothetical scenario is one that cannot happen. It's like saying "If my arms decide to go crazy, but my shoulders refuse to help them".

US Conservative · Oct 21, 2014

Tucker Case said:
If the military didn't side with the government, the government couldn't go crazy because the military is part of the government. It's not some separate entity. It's the enforcement arm of the government, ultimately.

So your hypothetical scenario is one that cannot happen. It's like saying "If my arms decide to go crazy, but my shoulders refuse to help them".

More brilliance. :doh

plutonium · Oct 21, 2014

it just makes it easier to kill someone period,,,, what empowered mlk or ghandi so if killing empowers people ....very sad but I do have a gun...oops guns,,,,,,, for protection or a equalizer

Tucker Case · Oct 22, 2014

US Conservative said:
More brilliance. :doh

I didn't really expect you to be capable of comprehending it.

US Conservative · Oct 22, 2014

Tucker Case said:
I didn't really expect you to be capable of comprehending it.

I suspect you project that on quite a few people. :2wave:

Tucker Case · Oct 23, 2014

US Conservative said:
I suspect you project that on quite a few people. :2wave:

I assure you, I do not project your inability to comprehend simple things on anyone.

Do firearms empower people?