Conservatives or MAGA? I don’t believe there are many conservatives left. There are like only 3-4 on this site.
Yes, free speech applies.
As does this:
“If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us that the reason why you're coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus, we're not going to give you a visa. If you lie to us and get a visa then enter the United States, and with that visa, participate in that sort of activity, we're going to take away your visa.”Marco Rubio says 300 student visas have been revoked, including detentions at Tufts, Columbia and more
The comments come amid two more high-profile detentions by ICE of a Tufts University student and a University of Alabama student.www.cbsnews.com
How did you determine that was the reason he was denied entry? Because he said so?So, is Tim Pool wrong about this issue?
How many foreign students who have been arrested by ICE did any of those things mentioned by Rubio, and how many just expressed an opinion he didn't like?
Was free speech denied to that Norwegian tourist who was denied entry to the US because he had a JD Vance meme on his phone?
How did you determine that was the reason he was denied entry? Because he said so?
Here's the Norway case:Well, lets check the story:
US officials reject claim tourist was denied entry over bald JD Vance meme
DHS does not deny strong-arming tourist into letting them into his phone, only that agents sent him home because of a memewww.independent.co.uk
So DHS said they did strong-arm him into searching his phone and stated they denied him for drug use.
However, that same article says this:
"A recent State Department cable directs diplomats to review social media profiles for “any indications of hostility towards the citizens, culture, government, institutions or founding principles of the United States.”
In recent months, reports of increased denials, detentions, and heightened scrutiny of visitors by DHS agents have made headlines.
In one instance, a French researcher was denied entry after customs agents found a “personal opinion on the Trump administration's research policy” on his phone. The denial earned a public scolding by a French minister.
Last week, an Australian writer was sent back to Melbourne after DHS agents in Los Angeles questioned him over his views on the Israeli treatment of Palestinians.
The general political tension and instability dovetailing with heightened security screenings have led several nations — including China, Denmark, and Finland — to issue travel warnings advising its citizens to consider if a trip to the United States is worth the risk of harassment or violence."
Seems like DHS has a pattern of denying entry to tourists who just so happen to disagree with the Trump administration. So my overall point is correct.
Indeed, the vast number of conservatives in the US have become what we fought against to defeat throughout the 20th century.Conservatives or MAGA? I don’t believe there are many conservatives left. There are like only 3-4 on this site.
There is a big difference.Take your pick, if the conservative movement allowed itself to be swallowed by MAGA, they deserve some of the blame for allowing that to happen, they shouldn't get off scot free.
Here's the Norway case:
Did a JD Vance meme get a tourist banned from the US?
US officials have denied claims that a Norwegian man was sent home because of a meme - but the case has raised international questions.www.bbc.com
Doesn't sound so suspicious now that there are multiple sides to the story.
There is a big difference.
Conservatives? They would say it not only applies but should be cherished and protected. However there are very few of them still around.
What we do have are lots of MAGA like @eohrnberger and for them, it doesn’t really matter because their position on the subject is whatever Donald’s position is. If Donald believes it should apply, they’ll agree. If he later back-peddles and states that it doesn’t, they’ll praise his 4D chess and declare that they too believed it shouldn’t apply from the very beginning. Then if he changes his mind again and says it applies again, @eohrnberger will be quick to chime in with his support.
Indeed, the American Armband Right has expanded greatly since 2015. The mass of disgruntled and angry conservatives who suffered through the Obama presidency swarmed Putin-Trump and their Christian fascism. Which is why there are so few American "Before Time" conservatives left. Before Time being of course pre 2015 and since.Let's quit with the "conservatives" thing. Sure, there are some left, though I don't really believe them if they voted for and continue to support this regime. The Republican party is not controlled by "conservatives." It is something different now.
Not allowing people to come here because of their views is even more repressive then punishing them afterwards. Notice that there is no specification that the visa grantee actually did anything illegal, just association with particular movements that this administration has issues with. Trump gave blanket pardons to the Jan 6th criminals, so we know this doesn't have anything to do with law and order.Yes, free speech applies.
As does this:
“If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us that the reason why you're coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus, we're not going to give you a visa. If you lie to us and get a visa then enter the United States, and with that visa, participate in that sort of activity, we're going to take away your visa.”Marco Rubio says 300 student visas have been revoked, including detentions at Tufts, Columbia and more
The comments come amid two more high-profile detentions by ICE of a Tufts University student and a University of Alabama student.www.cbsnews.com
They've been very effectively steered in a different direction. We can see evidence of that both online and in our own personal lives.Indeed, the American Armband Right has expanded greatly since 2015. The mass of disgruntled and angry conservatives who suffered through the Obama presidency swarmed Putin-Trump and their Christian fascism. Which is why there are so few American "Before Time" conservatives left. Before Time being of course pre 2015 and since.
I hated Reagan but the funniest thing is how they talk about him now. They’d have hated him. They would have called him a rino.Conservatives or MAGA? I don’t believe there are many conservatives left. There are like only 3-4 on this site.
Yup. They also might have called him a member of the swamp, the globalists, the puppet masters, the establishment, the pukes, the elites, the uniparty or the deep state.I hated Reagan but the funniest thing is how they talk about him now. They’d have hated him. They would have called him a rino.
My god, Reagan was a HUGE swamp creature. And had this weird affinity for immigrants. Well, rhetorically anyway. I remember in the 80’s, patriotism was stitched with a pride in the fact that people wanted to and WERE coming to America.Yup. They also might have called him a member of the swamp, the globalists, the puppet masters, the establishment, the pukes, the elites, the uniparty or the deep state.
If you think there's a problem, you prove it. All you've proven so far is you're willing to accept some stoner's side of the story as gospel without doing any research and then demanding strangers on the internet do it for you.Oh and the examples from French and Australian tourists were denied entry that I just sited, can you hand wave those examples as well?
If you think there's a problem, you prove it. All you've proven so far is you're willing to accept some stoner's side of the story as gospel without doing any research and then demanding strangers on the internet do it for you.
How did you determine that was the reason he was denied entry? Because he said so?
The very first article refuses to even identify the person:Why don't you read this post again:
How did you determine that was the reason he was denied entry? Because he said so?
Well, lets check the story:
US officials reject claim tourist was denied entry over bald JD Vance meme
DHS does not deny strong-arming tourist into letting them into his phone, only that agents sent him home because of a memewww.independent.co.uk
So DHS said they did strong-arm him into searching his phone and stated they denied him for drug use.
However, that same article says this:
"A recent State Department cable directs diplomats to review social media profiles for “any indications of hostility towards the citizens, culture, government, institutions or founding principles of...
Do the French and Australian tourists mentioned in that article don't count or something?
If you aren't going to actually read what I wrote, there is no point in debating you.
The scientist, a space researcher, has not been publicly identified.
The very first article refuses to even identify the person:
So no, it doesn't count.
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