kaya'08
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If you say so, champ.
You honestly believe that if every country was a democracy, we could achieve world peace and stability? :lol:
That's been a cornerstone of our foreign policy for decades. Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok. So let's help out countries trying to become democracies. We don't even seem to care anymore if they are capitalist. Just as long as they are democratic.
Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok.
Really? Are you considering how a Republic Democricy started or how it is now?
We have had a LOOOOOONG and hard bumpy road to where we are now. Let's take a look at the start.
*Woman being treated property (Where have I seen that before)
*Black being treated as property
*Children being used as labor
*Unsafe working conditions
*Slavery well intact.
Is this the proud start you wanted to tout about? Remember this was the start of the "Democracy" you are so proud of.
The fact is while we have great nation now, it started as quite an ignorant, fearful nation of its own people that occupied it. A nation that treated some people that occupied it unfairly and unmercifully.
You could even call some of our former leaders savages for what they approved of and did.
Who are you to claim that Democracy is needed in the Middle East? Just because it works in the West does not mean that it can make the transition to the East.
Luton Protests: Two Arrested As Muslim Anti-War Demo Targets Parading British Soldiers | UK News | Sky News
A group of Muslim protesters, who were hemmed in by police as the soldiers marched past, waved placards with slogans including: "Anglian Soldiers: Butchers of Basra" and "Anglian Soldiers: cowards, killers, extremists".
One also read: "British Government Terrorist Government."
A number of people staged a counter-demonstration, which is when the trouble began.
Bedfordshire Police confirmed two people were arrested for public order offences and taken to Luton Police Station.
Superintendent Andy Martin said: "Disappointingly, a small number of people chose to cause a disturbance during the parade, which was quickly contained by officers.
Why dont these people just **** off no loyalty no respect.
Conservative MP David Davies has called on abusive protests against serving military personnel to be outlawed.
The Monmouth MP has tabled an amendment to a bill governing religious hatred that would extend protection to the Armed Forces.
It would make it an offence to incite hatred against serving soldiers.
He was responding to a small group of anti-war protesters who this week demonstrated in Luton at the homecoming parade of the Royal Anglian Regiment.
They held placards saying "Anglian soldiers go to hell" and "Butchers of Basra".
However it's just not that simple either. The invasion of Iraq was NOT even remotely close to being primarily a benevolent effort to liberate the people of that nation. It was an opportunistic move to push an American sphere of influence into the middle east post 9-11.There were many reasons for the invasion, this was among them regardless of your apparent contempt for it.
Whether or not this betters their lives is debatable. We will see. It's not been all that great up to this point but it appears to be getting better. We absolutely need to get out of that nation, and when we do, we shall see if our efforts truly made anything better for the populace at all.A double negative, can I assume that this makes a positive, therefore it WAS to better their lives? Seriously, can you really think that anyone prefers the fear under a dictator like Saddam is happy under that kind of rule?
I'll tell you what is wrong with that. We got thousands of our own people killed or injured, we killed thousands, we injured even more, we did billions in damage to a struggling civilian infrastructure, we shredded what little international good will we had, and we cost our economy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of needless debt prosecuting the war and occupying and rebuilding damage we caused. And all for what? Our own people told Bush there were no WMD's (and were proven right), told Bush Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 (and were proven right) and told Bush Iraq was not a military threat to the U.S. or any other nation in the region due to the losses inflicted upon them during the first gulf war and the follow on sanctions...and they were right. What we did was set off a years long insurgency that ended up claiming yet thousands more lives.And what in the heck is wrong with that? Should we never act in our interests?
We absolutely asked for Iraq, we created the hype needed in order to invade. That's how bad we asked for it. Afghanistan, we didn't ask for, and it needed to be done.That is because it is a war, we didn't ask for this, but we will not shirk from it either.
Is it true you can see John Kerry, Dick Turbin, and Murtha in the crowd, introduced as "Our American Brothers" and were excitedly chanting and holding signs?
Lets read between the lines of what your saying here your pretty much saying "democracy is ok for us but those stupid Arabs like having no say in the governments".
People use to make similar arguements about slavery "us white people like freedom it doesent mean black people do"
The same crap has been brought up about democracy people use to say democracy couldnt work in non-white countries.
They said it couldnt work in Japan, India, south america,africa.
As you may have noticed Iraqis do seem to have a taste for democracy hense them risking their lives to go vote.
That's been a cornerstone of our foreign policy for decades. Democracies are peaceful and aren't likely to cause world havok. So let's help out countries trying to become democracies. We don't even seem to care anymore if they are capitalist. Just as long as they are democratic.
I am not the biggest fan of Saudi Arabia but US has no right demanding they take responsibility for 13 crazy people on a plane knocking down a building
Actually, since Saudi money funded then training of those 13 individuals the US has every right to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.
So if American money is used to fund terrorism, it's America's fault? That's horrendous logic.Actually, since Saudi money funded then training of those 13 individuals the US has every right to hold Saudi Arabia responsible.
So explain what you mean by helping them out.
Something like 98% of the countries in this world now describe themselves as democratic. Obviously it is the consensus that this is best. Obviously it was a fight to get this far.
Something like 98% of the countries in this world now describe themselves as democratic. Obviously it is the consensus that this is best. Obviously it was a fight to get this far.
That didn't answer my question. How would you propose helping them out?
Islam hates freedom and the democratic process .. what do you expect?
The UK let in all those 7th century throwbacks ... now they are paying the price.
The UK let in all those 7th century throwbacks ... now they are paying the price.
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We'll manage with these throwbacks; no need to worry your pretty little head about it.
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We'll manage with these throwbacks; no need to worry your pretty little head about it.
Mosques in Britian all need a police shakedown, and so do Churches. Some mosques do extremist teaching and training behind the scenes and help aid terrorists, while most Church's are whore houses for little kids.
Banning demonstrations is not the way to go about it in a nation with a democracy. The fact it was suggested is insulting.
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