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hmm .I thought you were a smart guy..............
They're in the link I posted. Unless you see "citation needed", they're all in the link that I posted.
There is nothing localized about 1.5 million people who were killed through marches and concentration camps.
which camps ? :shock:
The Deir ez-Zor camps were concentration camps[1] in the heart of the Syrian desert where many thousands of Armenian refugees were forced into death marches during the Armenian Genocide. The United States vice-consul in Aleppo, Jesse B. Jackson, estimated that Armenian refugees, as far east as Deir ez-Zor and south of Damascus, numbered 150,000, all of whom were virtually destitute.[2]
hmm .I thought you were a smart guy..............
Are you referring to the Trail of Tears and reservations?
I didn't take you to be a revisionist. Yet, here we are.
Nope, referring to the Dier ez-Zor camps that the Ottoman government forced hundreds of thousands to march towards. You keep trying to turn attention away from the topic of discussion. It's not working to well, is it?
those arent concentration camps and you have no right to compare this case to holocaust
Well, your addressing it, so I'm pleased with the results. That said, it's nots meant to turn attention away from the very real Armenian genocide, but to keep a focus that not all genocides are acknowledged, and that's a problem. It's the first step in avoiding it again. Unless it's only certain genocides that should be avoided.
Of course they were concentration camps. People were locked up in adequate conditions, given little food, and forced to live in those spaces without cause. Continuing to deny it makes you look like a revisionist.
according to you I have never been smart
I get what you are trying to say, but i just disagree...I am able to make the distinctions, and I am sure you are too.Again that argument can be made of any war.
Take territory disputes.. done because one side does not like the other side being in a certain place. Genocide?
And you cant say in this case of the Armenians that the intent was to kill them all off, simply because of the amount of Armenians left after the fact in the once Ottoman Empire. That there could be over 100k Armenians in the capital of the Ottoman Empire in 1921 kinda shows that. Drive them into exile sure, but that aint genocide..if it was, then the west committed genocide against the German people after WW2 when they took Prussia from Germany and forced millions of Germans to leave their historical home land and many died on the process.
That is why I say we have to be careful in using the "Genocide" claim, since it can be used against anyone. The formation of Israel? Genocide against Palestinians. Would you accept that? It aint no different than what happened to the Armenians.
That is outside of you being an obvious revisionist.
no .and you cant compare it to holocaust experienced by jews..........
your ignorant posts make me look like einstein
Of course it is a genocide. Continuing to deny what the Ottoman Empire did just makes you look like a bigger revisionist at this point. What you're trying to argue in terms of the Nazis is pretty funny though. Apparently, it's only a genocide if it's comparable to that experience by the Jews? Well hmmm. The Rwandan genocide only lasted 30 days! I guess it can't be compared to the 6 years that the Jews had so it's not a genocide! And I guess Ethiopia's Red Terror can't be a genocide either because there were only 30K deaths! No Medusa, that's not how evidence of a genocide is determined.
Says the person who won't even admit that the Ottoman Empire created concentration camps for the Armenians. :lol:
we didnt burn anyone
:thumbdown
you are smarter one ,I am stupid
however you dont know more about it than me
Who the hell is we? This is why your revisionism fails. You weren't even alive in that period and the empire dissolved nearly 100 years ago. What the Ottoman Empire did do was conduct a policy that directly led to the death of 1.5 million people. That is in fact a genocide.
you werent either but speak as if you know it better than any expert.
of course 'we' .because I am defending my own nation ,not myself
yes any source that proves millions of people were killed,real sources ?
As David Fromkin put it in his widely praised history of World War I and its aftermath, “A Peace to End All Peace”: “Rape and beating were commonplace. Those who were not killed at once were driven through mountains and deserts without food, drink or shelter. Hundreds of thousands of Armenians eventually succumbed or were killed .”
The Armenian Genocide of 1915 was the supremely violent historical moment that removed a people from its homeland and wiped away most of the tangible evidence of its three thousand years of material and spiritual culture. The calamity, which was unprecedented in scope and effect, may be viewed as part of the incessant Armenian struggle for survival and the culmination of the persecution and pogroms that began in the 1890s. Or, it may be placed in the context of the great upheavals that brought about the disintegration of the multiethnic and multireligious Ottoman Empire and the emergence of a Turkish nation-state based on a monoethnic and monoreligious society. The Ottoman government, dominated by the Committee of Union and Progress (CUP) or the Young Turk party, came to regard the Armenians as alien and a major obstacle to the fulfillment of its political, ideological and social goals. Its ferocious repudiation of plural society resulted in a single society, as the destruction of the Armenians was followed by the expulsion of the Greek population of Asia Minor and the suppression of the non-Turkish Muslim elements with the goal of bringing about turkification and assimilation. The method adopted to transform a plural Ottoman society into a homogeneous Turkish society was genocide.”
Starting in early 1915, the Ottoman Turks began deporting and killing hundreds of thousands of Armenians in the first major genocide of the twentieth century. By the end of the First World War, the number of Armenians in what would become Turkey had been reduced by ninety percent—more than a million people. A century later, the Armenian Genocide remains controversial but relatively unknown, overshadowed by later slaughters and the chasm separating Turkish and Armenian versions of events. In this definitive narrative history, Ronald Suny cuts through nationalist myths, propaganda, and denial to provide an unmatched account of when, how, and why the atrocities of 1915–16 were committed.
I've sourced every single thing I've said. Also, the experts agree, it was a genocide. However, I'll bet pearls to pig **** that they're definitely not state funded Turkish experts.
Your nation is not the Ottoman Empire. :lol:
Armenian Genocide of 1915: An Overview - New York Times
Armenian Genocide : Center for Holocaust & Genocide Studies : University of Minnesota
Suny, R.G.: "They Can Live in the Desert but Nowhere Else": A History of the Armenian Genocide. (eBook and Hardcover)
Good grief, your denial of what has been proven over and over again by scholars all over the world, witnessed by journalists at the time, and discussed by figures of the period just makes you look absolutely silly.
there isnt already any nation called ottoman.
it is the name of the dynasty that ruled the empire.I had started a thread about it in the ME forum.you can look at what I posted there.I have no patience for ignorance and arrogance
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