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It wouldn't have been an interesting trial. If he were captured after killing two cops, he would have gotten the death penalty. That's how the majority of Americans feel about crimes like this. Mentally ill or not, he would be sentenced to die in America, because we don't flinch at killing mentally ill scumbags.
The sad thing here is that Media Matter's is ignoring the lefts on hypocrisy while pointing out the hypocrisy of those on the right.
Yes, Fox and many on the right focused on blaming the killer and just the killer and downplayed any role "rhetoric" may've been responsible for the killing in las vegas. Yet now many are gleefully going after Sharpton for his "rhetoric" being responsible here. Yet on the flip side of the hypocrisy coin, that Media Matters just happens to ignore, many on the left were gleefully attempting to tie the killing of the Vegas officer to the tea party and Bundy and placing blame on those groups for the killers actions...but now are quick to suggest Sharpton or these protesters aren't culpable and the blame should lie solely on the killer.
Hypocrites abound.
What's saddest of all is that he uses the families of people like Garner to advance his own agenda (and collaterally, his image, his power, his agenda). Why they keep joining him is beyond me. He doesn't deserve a minute of serious attention and he deserves no respect. The man is a cancer in society. Eric Garner's wife seems so decent. She needs a better mouthpiece than him.
Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that they were, in fact, not infiltrators from the right, but rather Nazi's who had been frozen in Carbonite a'la Han Solo for two-thirds of a century who were unfrozen by the flames from the 9/11 attack and have been seeking to discredit the leftists whom they feel enable terrorists ever since.
It's just not likely.
It wouldn't have been an interesting trial. If he were captured after killing two cops, he would have gotten the death penalty. That's how the majority of Americans feel about crimes like this. Mentally ill or not, he would be sentenced to die in America, because we don't flinch at killing mentally ill scumbags.
Keep dodging, lady. I was simply making a point that there is more productive conversation to be had about the issues surrounding the rally itself. Body cameras are relevant to that discussion, but I wasn't inviting you to debate body cams. It was a small side point I mentioned.
Fox News is relevant to the thread, because Fox News clips were posted in the OP portraying Al Sharpton as appearing in front of crowd cheering for cops to be killed.
I don't know what you believe is false or inaccurate about Fox's portrayal or how influenced you are by such coverage. However, media groups are powerful and should be criticized for misleading people with edited and spliced video. The OP was obviously influenced by the Fox report. My point was that Fox could be having a more productive conversation and use their power to improve the safety of our police officers and neighbors. It seems you want to dwell on the tragedy itself and let your fears run wild.
Which Sharpton had nothing to do with, so how would Sharpton to be responsible if he was motivated by people Sharpton had nothing to do with chanting support for a crime being performed.
If you want to talk about whether or not those individuals in that particular crowd "contributed" to those deaths, that's at least a more reasonable argument, as you have a legitimate argument in terms of "inciting" the murder when you're talking about people actually directly advocating for the illegal activity in question.
But that has nothing to do with Sharpton.
Strangely, it wasn't stated anything was infiltrated from the right.
I recall when President Clinton tried to link Timothy McVeigh and his bombing in Oklahoma to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. This kind of stuff is not new. In fact I still see arguments like that made today. I saw Rudy Juiliani trying to do the same thing Clinton did, but only aimed at the current occupant of the White House. I don't think any of this s**t is helping.
Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?Good points. It seems anytime some nut does something and previously expressed an interest in something, that interest is always seen as the source to blame however crazy it seems. By moving the blame or saying a movie, music, rhetoric, or whatnot takes away from the actual person who committed the atrocities and does not help.
I mean could you imagine these thread if Sharpton had indeed said something crazy like, "Don't Retreat – Instead Reload” but the fact is he never called for any kind of violence and is still getting violent acts linked to him.
Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?
I would hazard the guess that there will always be racial issues in the country. Just like I have found the same still exist outside of it too. Just not to the extent that we are obsessed with it in America. And I mean obsessed. I don't think the Rev is any kind of a leader much less a good one, but he sure has a big part in the currently racially charged air of the country. The Rev earned his stripes, KARMA is a bitch as they say.Yes but do you think there are no racial issues in this country that still need to be addressed and a good leader needs to be able to address those without being labeled a race baiter? Not that I think Sharpton is the best leader for the job or has a perfect history but it seems you can't address any kind of prejudice without being labeled.
The poll question (which I understood, perhaps you didn't) was:
Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?
It was not about body cameras. It was not about Fox News. It was exactly what the subject line said.
I didn't watch the clips at the beginning. I don't need Debate Politics to educate myself on who Al Sharpton is. I grew up outside of NYC and remember the first time I heard his name - the Tawana Brawley lies. And if you want to know what the OP is influenced by, take it up with him, not me.
If you didn't know who Al Sharpton was before this poll, then that's your issue.
If you would like to engage me in discussion, stick to the topic of the thread I'm posting on.
It's disingenuous to sit on your high horse and claim hypocrisy all around and then flat out ignore and try to dismiss the role anti-cop rhetoric may have played in the assassination of these two cops. Maybe there wasn't a specific call from Sharpton to murder cops - I never claimed that - but you'd have to be a fool to deny the "dog whistle" and cumulative effect of Sharpton and the left wing race baiting pimps who make the death of every two bit black hustler and criminal thug a cause celebre against police.
:shrug: that seems the fairly obvious implication at the notion that "idiots would show up just to make the protest look bad with their behavior".
Where is the anti-cop rhetoric you are talking about? The only anti-cop rhetoric I have seen is from a bunch crazy nut bags at a rally. That is hardly the same as Sharpton or left wing media personalities promoting violence towards our cops.
Not everything has to do with left vs right.
Sure. As I said, it could be Nazis. It's just not likely.
Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?
Thats how it works with a leftist in the whitehouse.
His rhetoric advocated dead cops, do you disagree?
You mean the Sharpton-led protest he wasn't present at and wasn't organized by his group? Why continue to perpetuate that lie?
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