I see hillary Clinton as the one active political figure in our country today that truly embodies the political corruption that caused the trump phenomenon to become a thing.
I have talked to a lot of people about the election. Now that it is Trump vs Hillary, most of the Burnie people I know are jumping on the hillary bandwagon to stop trump, and most of the cruz people I know are reluctantly supporting trump over hillary.
But those reluctant voters aren't the ones I want to talk about. I want to talk about the genuine, full on, Hillary Clinton Supporters.
I understand that you like some of her policies. But what makes her better than any other democrat just a bit left of the party platform?
I see hillary Clinton as the one active political figure in our country today that truly embodies the political corruption that caused the trump phenomenon to become a thing. I see her as an exaggerated archetype of a corrupt politician you would find on a tv show, but just in real life. I think it is almost comical the kinds of things she can get away with.
So I have some questions for the enthusiastic hillary supporter.
Do you think we need to change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she will she change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she is trustworthy?
What specifically has she achieved (any office she has held, primarily attributed to her) that has improved our country?
Do you think that she is corrupt?
Do you believe that she is honestly not representing the "big banks on wall street" when she receives large donations from them?
Given a consistent record of inconsistent views, do you believe she will keep to the platform she is campaigning on when elected?
Is her gender part of the reason you support her?
Do you find any hypocrisy in her platform, actions, or words?
I don't mean any disrespect, I honestly just don't understand why some high information voters would enthusiastically support her.
I have talked to a lot of people about the election. Now that it is Trump vs Hillary, most of the Burnie people I know are jumping on the hillary bandwagon to stop trump, and most of the cruz people I know are reluctantly supporting trump over hillary.
But those reluctant voters aren't the ones I want to talk about. I want to talk about the genuine, full on, Hillary Clinton Supporters.
I understand that you like some of her policies. But what makes her better than any other democrat just a bit left of the party platform?
I see hillary Clinton as the one active political figure in our country today that truly embodies the political corruption that caused the trump phenomenon to become a thing. I see her as an exaggerated archetype of a corrupt politician you would find on a tv show, but just in real life. I think it is almost comical the kinds of things she can get away with.
So I have some questions for the enthusiastic hillary supporter.
Do you think we need to change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she will she change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she is trustworthy?
What specifically has she achieved (any office she has held, primarily attributed to her) that has improved our country?
Do you think that she is corrupt?
Do you believe that she is honestly not representing the "big banks on wall street" when she receives large donations from them?
Given a consistent record of inconsistent views, do you believe she will keep to the platform she is campaigning on when elected?
Is her gender part of the reason you support her?
Do you find any hypocrisy in her platform, actions, or words?
I don't mean any disrespect, I honestly just don't understand why some high information voters would enthusiastically support her.
So I have some questions for the enthusiastic hillary supporter.
Do you think we need to change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she will she change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she is trustworthy?
What specifically has she achieved (any office she has held, primarily attributed to her) that has improved our country?
Do you think that she is corrupt?
Do you believe that she is honestly not representing the "big banks on wall street" when she receives large donations from them?
Given a consistent record of inconsistent views, do you believe she will keep to the platform she is campaigning on when elected?
Is her gender part of the reason you support her?
Do you find any hypocrisy in her platform, actions, or words?
I don't mean any disrespect, I honestly just don't understand why some high information voters would enthusiastically support her.
To that I bolded:I was a Washington alternate state delegate for her in 2008. These are my answers:
A resounding defeat of the GOP - whether part of the establishment or not. I used to be a Republican - I happily voted for Reagan and Bush 41...but I saw even then what was happening to the GOP - I don't think many therein really grasp how the trifecta of Nixon's Southern Strategy, the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, and the rise of the Religious Right all combined to increase racial divisiveness, allowed people to hear only the side of the story they already wanted to hear, and allowed whacked-out televangelists to become power brokers within the GOP to the point where it's almost a sin to even negotiate with a liberal, much less give any serious thought to liberal proposals.
Not really - but in political terms, she's the most battle-tested candidate we've seen in at least a generation. She will not be nearly so naive as Obama was for his first two years in office. She knows how to fight for what she stands for - she's taken everything the Right has thrown at her...and she's still standing.
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I hear a lot about how horrible and corrupt Hillary is, but I never see actual complaints.
Except "Benghazi!!
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Here they are: Hillary’s 22 biggest scandals ever
From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Primer on Bill and Hillary Clinton Scandals - The Atlantic
The Hillary Clinton Lies List – conservativeamerican.org
The problems plaguing Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid
Their are hundreds..
Edit: And I bet we find out more from the Trumpster soon enough
Here they are: Hillary’s 22 biggest scandals ever
From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Primer on Bill and Hillary Clinton Scandals - The Atlantic
The Hillary Clinton Lies List – conservativeamerican.org
The problems plaguing Hillary Clintonâ€[emoji769]s 2016 presidential bid
Their are hundreds..
Edit: And I bet we find out more from the Trumpster soon enough
I hear a lot about how horrible and corrupt Hillary is, but I never see actual complaints.
Except "Benghazi!!
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I have talked to a lot of people about the election. Now that it is Trump vs Hillary, most of the Burnie people I know are jumping on the hillary bandwagon to stop trump, and most of the cruz people I know are reluctantly supporting trump over hillary.
But those reluctant voters aren't the ones I want to talk about. I want to talk about the genuine, full on, Hillary Clinton Supporters.
I understand that you like some of her policies. But what makes her better than any other democrat just a bit left of the party platform?
I see hillary Clinton as the one active political figure in our country today that truly embodies the political corruption that caused the trump phenomenon to become a thing. I see her as an exaggerated archetype of a corrupt politician you would find on a tv show, but just in real life. I think it is almost comical the kinds of things she can get away with.
So I have some questions for the enthusiastic hillary supporter.
Do you think we need to change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she will she change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she is trustworthy?
What specifically has she achieved (any office she has held, primarily attributed to her) that has improved our country?
Do you think that she is corrupt?
Do you believe that she is honestly not representing the "big banks on wall street" when she receives large donations from them?
Given a consistent record of inconsistent views, do you believe she will keep to the platform she is campaigning on when elected?
Is her gender part of the reason you support her?
Do you find any hypocrisy in her platform, actions, or words?
I don't mean any disrespect, I honestly just don't understand why some high information voters would enthusiastically support her.
that Trump isn't part of the washington corrupt game. Its a joke.
same with those who think Trump is some sort of outsider untarnished by the big charade that is our political system.
I used to be a Republican - I happily voted for Reagan and Bush 41...but I saw even then what was happening to the GOP - I don't think many therein really grasp how the trifecta of Nixon's Southern Strategy, the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, and the rise of the Religious Right all combined to increase racial divisiveness, allowed people to hear only the side of the story they already wanted to hear, and allowed whacked-out televangelists to become power brokers within the GOP to the point where it's almost a sin to even negotiate with a liberal, much less give any serious thought to liberal proposals.
A resounding defeat of the GOP - whether part of the establishment or not.
To put it another way, Hillary is a master of realpolitik. She supports what is necessary, what is practical, what is pragmatic. That's how I know she'll get things done.
Not a Hillary supporter but, the exact same questions can be asked of the Orange one.
I think what you've said above is the key, defining distinction between the two major groups of the Democratic party (exemplified by the candidates who rose to the top). That being said, I simply don't agree with you on this point. I believed this firmly in early 2008, when I switched from a Libertarian to a Democrat and campaigned for Barrack Obama. And then I watched as my generation and other progressives promoted Barrack Obama against long odds to become the Democratic nominee, I campaigned and contributed to him to win the presidency in 2008, I voted for him and for the wholly Democratic congress, the crushing win he had over John McCain, the promotion of "good progressive" Democrats (including Hillary) into high-level positions, we switched the House and the Senate over to the Democrats with a nearly veto-proof majority. And in return, we got the weakest form of healthcare reform you could imagine, we got the weakest form regulations on Wall Street that could still be called regulations, and Wall Street got a huge, huge bailout. And I watched as a Democrat-controlled House and Senate fought against all of the things that the they allegedly stood for. My generations prospects got worse, the economic policies explicitly were written in a way that absolutely devastated the poor and middle-class, the entire country has slipped further and further into debt (individually, not nationally, the national debt is, as you probably know, more or less irrelevant) the only jobs that were created were jobs that created more underemployment and were underpaid, and so on and so on --and that's not even getting into foreign policy.
And all of the deregulating laws that created the financial collapse by either removing regulations or never creating them in the first place? All of the laws that set our fiscal and monetary policies policies? All of the laws that regulate the financial industry and corporations? All the laws that help the interest of workers, like trade deals and labor laws? For forty long years, the issues that lie in the interests of the middle-class and especially the poor all have been undermined whether there was a Democratic president in office with a Republican congress, and vice versa, whether there was a Republican in office with a Republican congress, and yes, whether there was a Democrat in office with a Democratic congress. If you were looking for a great defeat of Republicans, you couldn't have done much better than 2008, and we have the history of how that turned out. Needless to say, for me, the idea that "all that needs to happen is for the Republicans to lose big" was bombastically falsified.
(We can ask, "Well why is that?" and that's another long subject, but I think the highlights are: Corporate/Wall Street money in politics, the elitist bubble in Washington, and corporate media. So when you talk about Fairness Doctrine, the Southern Strategy, and so on, but I'd definitely add Buckley v Valeo to that list to things that went tits up in before Reagan hit the Oval Office.)
I have talked to a lot of people about the election. Now that it is Trump vs Hillary, most of the Burnie people I know are jumping on the hillary bandwagon to stop trump, and most of the cruz people I know are reluctantly supporting trump over hillary.
But those reluctant voters aren't the ones I want to talk about. I want to talk about the genuine, full on, Hillary Clinton Supporters.
I understand that you like some of her policies. But what makes her better than any other democrat just a bit left of the party platform?
I see hillary Clinton as the one active political figure in our country today that truly embodies the political corruption that caused the trump phenomenon to become a thing. I see her as an exaggerated archetype of a corrupt politician you would find on a tv show, but just in real life. I think it is almost comical the kinds of things she can get away with.
So I have some questions for the enthusiastic hillary supporter.
Do you think we need to change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she will she change the Washington status quo?
Do you think she is trustworthy?
What specifically has she achieved (any office she has held, primarily attributed to her) that has improved our country?
Do you think that she is corrupt?
Do you believe that she is honestly not representing the "big banks on wall street" when she receives large donations from them?
Given a consistent record of inconsistent views, do you believe she will keep to the platform she is campaigning on when elected?
Is her gender part of the reason you support her?
Do you find any hypocrisy in her platform, actions, or words?
I don't mean any disrespect, I honestly just don't understand why some high information voters would enthusiastically support her.
Here they are: Hillary’s 22 biggest scandals ever
From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Primer on Bill and Hillary Clinton Scandals - The Atlantic
The Hillary Clinton Lies List – conservativeamerican.org
The problems plaguing Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid
Their are hundreds..
Edit: And I bet we find out more from the Trumpster soon enough
You (sanders supporter correct?)
[Sanders would] take from the rich to give to the poor - socialism
Me (Trump) - We don't have to take from the rich directly, maybe change some economic rules, just get jobs back for the middle class so they can build themselves back up.
Here they are: Hillary’s 22 biggest scandals ever
From Whitewater to Benghazi: A Primer on Bill and Hillary Clinton Scandals - The Atlantic
The Hillary Clinton Lies List – conservativeamerican.org
The problems plaguing Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential bid
Their are hundreds..
Edit: And I bet we find out more from the Trumpster soon enough
Everyone is aware of her record for lying and corruption. She supports rewarding criminals while millions legally trying to enter this country are turned away. Birds of a feather will stand with her.
Why I don't support Trump, despite fundamentally agreeing with him that the problem is the system and the problem won't disappear until the system does, is that it matters how you change the system.
I expect Trump to now be loaded up with debt/favors to Republican establishment donors, and whatever talk he gave about looking out for the average American will go right out the window.
The rich and influential have rewritten the rules monstrously in their favor, and they have been systematically extracting wealth from the poor and the middle-class for over 4 decades now. They're done this by buying off politicians to do their bidding, they've done it by decreasing taxes on the rich, they've done it by destroyed labor movements and busting unions up, and, yes, by making awful trade deals that are quite openly at the expense of skilled workers and factory workers. So, as a point of fact, you need to get money out of politics, and then you need to re-extract the great host of the ill-sought wealth that the .1% extracted from the poor and middle-class and place it back into workers hands.
The best way to do this is through social programs (Public education, national jobs creation programs, rebuilding our infrastructure, debt forgiveness, universal healthcare, universal college, subsidies for capital gains, etc).
As for socialism proper, that involves trying to give workers more control over their destinies, and let large corporations/industries be democratically run by the skilled laborers (much like we run our country), but that's a long conversation that is far out of the current political discussion. Right now, I'm concerned with letting skilled workers, people who have been irreparably harmed by the system, and more generally the middle-class and poor get the fair pay they are owed for their work.
Trump is also the disappearance of the system, or at the very least shaking it up. He has already done a lot to expose corruption and I don't expect that to change..
I do not..
I see what Trump is doing as similar to what Carnegie and Rockefeller did with their fortunes toward the ends of their lives. But instead of just spending the money on things to help the people, Trump wants to effect change in "the system" to help the people.
I'm glad you changed this from "the right" to "The rich and influential" because the left has been bought just as effectively as the right, Hillary..
We can "re-extract the great host of the ill-sought wealth that the .1% extracted from the poor and middle-class" through capitalistic measures by reversing the corruption of bought politicians that I see as has been effectively reverse socialism for the rich, slanting the rules toward the rich's favor..
So am I, but, I think we can still take an "America first" capitalist approach to this by putting our middle class and poor people ahead of maximum corporate profits.
You are right, I don't know how, but I think that trump has the best interest of the American people at heart in what he is doing and will do his best for us as opposed to just another slimy politician for sale to the highers bidder.
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