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Deputies shoot man in his front yard

something just doesn't add up about this story. I've been a military cop for over 10 years and been around cops for most of my life. they are not generally in the habit of shooting unarmed civilians just for the hell of it. but I do agree they are lousy shots. bullets flying everywhere and the guy only gets hit in the leg?
 
rocket88 said:
It's not a surprise given your appreciation for authoritarianism.
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Nor is it a surprise gven my support of LEOs over criminals. We sak the LEOs in this country to do an exceptionally difficult job, then we throw every roadblock humanly possible in their way, and still complain when they don't get the job done. That's BS so far as I'm concerned. We either need to start supporting our LEOs rather than the criminals or just stop enforcing anything.
 
I don't know, you get a report of a burglary in progress. Then you find the guy inside the car and say show me your hands. You (in the car) think it's a joke and spin around on the officers?

We don't have all the details and both sides could be lying. It all boils down to did he spin around on the officers? With an object such as keys with a flashlight, any police officer would have shot in that situation.

It is amazing how it's always the cops fault or the shooters fault right off the bat without most of the details. Not like the media makes things up or exaggerates... Oh wait.

So don't kneejerk and assume the police were wrong based on? The fact they are just police.
 
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The post doesn't mention is it was HIS car, and how do you lose a cigarette in someone's random car. I also like the liberal bias in the story as well, "Bullets were flying everywhere" Give me a ****ing break. Anyway, If I saw someone "reaching" into my car at 3am, I sure wouldn't call the police, I would shoot the man myself.

Unitedwestand13 said:
http://www.pnj.com/article/20130728/NEWS11/307280027/Deputies-shoot-at-man-in-his-yard?nclick_check=1



any thoughts about this story?
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Some friends of mine were in their car, probably making out, after "the bar closed." The bar called and reported a burglary in progress. The cops came into the parking lot, seeing these two in the car, snuck up to the passenger and driver side windows, and practically begged my friends to show them their hands. (Which they did: happy ending.)

They didn't want to shoot them. But they didn't want to die either. Cops often have to make hard choices that we judge from our armchairs.
 
Its cases like THIS that make the Martin/Zimmerman case look like such a festering ass boil. THIS is the type of thing people should be concerned about. A similar incident occurred in California where a cop opened fire on a recently returned vet. Police should be held to a higher standard. Perhaps there is something we arent seeing yet (only one side of the story), but from what was reported, the cops should be in jail awaiting trial for attempted murder.
 

From Illinois. "Things that make ya' wonder."

 
The cops were "Standing Their Ground" That's all.
They must have "felt" like he was a threat to them.
Isn't that all that's needed in Floriduh?
I mean, after all, the guy was black .
He was probably up to no good or on drugs or something...I'll bet he had a burglary tool on him or THC in his system.



sarc/
 
rocket88 said:
No it doesn't. That's a police state mentality. In this country the police only use deadly force when absolutely necessary.
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I suppose "when absolutely necessary" takes on a pretty different meaning depending on if you're the person talking about it on an internet forum or the person responding to a potential burglary in progress in the middle of the night. Officers should exercise the best possible judgement before discharging their weapons but they should also have the right to protect themselves.

You're welcome to angrily flail your arms about when an officer tells you to raise them because that's your right but I would rather just comply.

To each their own I suppose.
 
MaggieD said:
From Illinois. "Things that make ya' wonder."
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At least in that case they attempted non-lethal response. Ive seen 'stuff' happen. We have had nurses do by-the-book controlled take downs of psych patients that have then gone into seizures, or arrest. But outright executions justified solely because the person pulling the trigger had a badge?
 

There have been a few questionable shootings involving LE around Lawton and in Comanche County.

One city cop shot a man he was chasing at 2am because he thought the sunglasses the man was carrying- odd for a man to be carrying sunglasses, odd too they looked an awful lot like the type that cop routinely had hanging from his pencil slot on his uniform- looked like a pistol. This cop later shot a fleeing handcuffed man and was fired from the LPD.

Two Deputies were searching dumpsters behind an apt complex for a felon. One would flip the lid open the other pop up and check the interior- this is where pieing would have been safer for both the Deputy and the suspect. They finally found him in one and as soon as the deputy saw the suspect he shot. The suspect was unarmed and it was later claimed it looked like he had a pistol. My thought was the deputy trained to shoot don't shoot with 'traditional' targets.

I think we all remember the home owner shot in his yard Chicago/Dallas/ Portland because he had a cell phone in his hand.

72 year old Dallas homeowner shot by rookie cop 6 times as both investigated a burglar alarm.

All of that is to say we sometimes dwell on the high stress decisions made by LE who often are new to the Force, or have not had enough training in more varied shoot-don't shoot.

Now the hail of bullets that missed with the one hit low in the leg-

If you have any pistol training you would know that aiming at one point, the torso doesn't mean you hit that POA, the torso. Your two hands 'fight' to control the weapon. Your non firing hand can 'pull' or 'push' the weapon off target when using sloppy technique. Low shots are from the non firing hand pulling back on the lower part of the pistol- most times as part of anticipating recoil.

I've had students 'dirt buffalo' a .40 round repeatedly at 15 yards, the closest we shoot pepper poppers, and not realize it, not until the relay standing behind the firing line confirmed the observation did he believe it possible.
 
Escambia County Sheriff: Deputies felt threatened before shooting man in yard
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Exactly as I said. This line was lifted directly from the article.
In Floriduh you need only "feel" a certain way to come out guns a-blazzin' and it's all OK.
 

When you recieve a report of a burglary in progress do you ignore the fact that it could be the owner of the car or do you assume the guy is a bad guy.

I would say in this case it is the way the guy was approached that would have caused him to turn around like you say he did.

If you think everybody is a bad guy, it will turn out to be true in one way or another.
 

most "normal" people aren't out rummaging around in their car in the middle of the night :shrug:
 
OscarB63 said:
most "normal" people aren't out rummaging around in their car in the middle of the night :shrug:
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If that person Works the swing shift or the gravyard shift they can be.

There is no normal in life.
 
Mason66 said:
If that person Works the swing shift or the gravyard shift they can be.

There is no normal in life.
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whatever. If the cops get a report of a burglary in progress, the first assumption is not going to be that the guy in the car is the owner. if he was...why did someone report him?

word of advice: if you are doing anything and the cops come up, it is never a good idea to spin around quickly to face them.
 
Mason66 said:
When you receive a report of a burglary in progress do you ignore the fact that it could be the owner of the car or do you assume the guy is a bad guy.
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You assume it is the bad guy because it was the neighbor that called. They tend to give us the address of the person who called.

Mason66 said:
I would say in this case it is the way the guy was approached that would have caused him to turn around like you say he did.
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They identified themselves as police and said "show us your hands" after receiving a call of a burglary in progress.

Mason66 said:
If you think everybody is a bad guy, it will turn out to be true in one way or another.
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Who said anything about believing everyone is the bad guy? I love it when a person who has no experience training etc about law enforcement will try and tell others what is expected.
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, it sounds pretty odd. On reflection, if there really was this 'hail of bullets' he's proclaiming, I find it hard to believe the cops were all such crappy shots that they ONLY got him once in the leg.... even the NYPD can do better than that.
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According to one of the stories I read there were 17 shots fired and the cops say they asked him to get out multiple times then when he did he lunged at them.

Frankly that doesn't make a lot of sense either.

There is also no way in hell that he missed a cruiser pulling up and the cops approaching him if he was just rummaging through the car. There's just nothing that seems to add up on either side of this story so my guess is that all involved are lying.
 

Well, the only thing I saw was when he turn around, he had keys with a flashlight in his hand. May have been mistaken for a weapon. Not the first time police use that excuse.
 
Tigger said:
My thoughts..... Smoking can get you killed.
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Coffin nails, got the poor smuck nailed. Almost got him nailed into a coffin. :lamo Is it me or are the police a tad bit touchy nowadays.
 
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