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Dept of Homeland Security Describes Their Mass Deportations as a Holy War

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"If you mashed together a Vietnam War epic with a Christian end-times movie, what might emerge is one of the recent social media videos produced by the Department of Homeland Security. In early July, the department posted a minute-long short ...As the action unfolds, a man is heard quoting from the Book of Isaiah: “I heard the voice of the Lord say, ‘Whom shall I send? And who will go forth for us?’ And I said, ‘Here am I. Send me.’” The theme was echoed three weeks later by another DHS video...set to a different ominous soundtrack — “I’m the Shadows,” by the electronica act Ryutqc. A line from Proverbs appears: “The wicked flee when no man pursueth; but the righteous are as bold as a lion.” The videos conjure a veritable holy war, in which God’s soldiers prepare to battle evil, a.k.a. undocumented immigrants. These adversaries are largely implied, rendered as shadows visible only through night vision goggles — a stunning bit of dehumanization....

One running theme consists of wistful images that convey the idea of the United States as a Christian nation rooted in European aesthetics and ideals...Late last month, DHS shared an image of painter John Gast’s 1872 canvas, “American Progress,” which salutes Manifest Destiny, the concept that European settlers and their descendants had the God-given right to settle the West. The painting shows a White woman in a flowing white gown — an allegorical figure representing the United States — moving westward as she brings forth the telegraph and the steam train. Trying to get out of her path is a small group of Indigenous people. The caption reads: “A Heritage to be proud of, a Homeland worth Defending.”.... In these depictions, said historian Matthew Baigell in Smithsonian Studies in American Art, Natives were “reassigned the roles of savages and barbarians who blocked ‘progress.’” Stephen Aron, the director of the Autry Museum of the American West in Los Angeles, which owns “American Progress,” put it simply in an interview with NPR. Gast’s painting, he said, “is a whitening vision of the West.”

...As sociologists Philip S. Gorski and Samuel L. Perry note in their engaging book, “The Flag and the Cross,” the enemies targeted by White Christian nationalism have evolved over time. If in the past they were Native Americans and Catholics, these days the hellfire is reserved for immigrants and woke libs. The constant is that there is always an “us” versus “them.” “The goal is to forever redeem and restore a lost world corrupted by ‘outsiders,’” Gorski and Perry wrote. “That won’t happen without a fight. So, white Christian nationalism marches its adherents toward a bloody battle.” It’s a battle that is dragging this country into the past, a past in which some people were held up as righteous while others were treated as obstacles. This past was a vicious and ugly place, and there was nothing Christian about it."

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Fascinating article.
 
Late last month, DHS shared an image of painter John Gast’s 1872 canvas, “American Progress,” which salutes Manifest Destiny, the concept that European settlers and their descendants had the God-given right to settle the West. The painting shows a White woman in a flowing white gown — an allegorical figure representing the United States — moving westward as she brings forth the telegraph and the steam train. Trying to get out of her path is a small group of Indigenous people. The caption reads: “A Heritage to be proud of, a Homeland worth Defending.”...
OMG Manifest Destiny!
 
Do you see white supremacy as part of our mass deportation program too?
I could do without the Christian nationalism. But it's just another dumb ass attack from the left on immigration enforcement.
Manifest Destiny was how the USA expanded.. The inevitability of a coast to coast USA
 
I could do without the Christian nationalism. But it's just another dumb ass attack from the left on immigration enforcement.
Manifest Destiny was how the USA expanded.. The inevitability of a coast to coast USA

Manifest Destiny is an example of Christian Nationalism, as well as of white supremacy.

Do you believe it provides a legitimate philosophical underpinning for mass deportations?
 
Forcing Christianity on other people will not make them believers. It instead turns Christianity into a falsehood.

Thomas Jefferson maintained that government should have nothing to do with religion.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State"

Separation of church and state

 
Forcing Christianity on other people will not make them believers. It instead turns Christianity into a falsehood.

Thomas Jefferson maintained that government should have nothing to do with religion.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof", thus building a wall of separation between church and State"

Separation of church and state


The inhectiin if religion into a cause is not unique for this country, even by the government.

What I find troubling is the characterization of the immigration issue as a Holy War. A real" us" versus "them" dichotomy that is based on a Devine, racial philosophy that serves to tear apart families and communities.
 
Jesus didn't look like this.........
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But more like this............
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Mind you Jesus loved the poor, the immigrant:
When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born.
—Leviticus 19:33

So maybe the "Holy War" is going to be against White Nationalists and bigots.
 
"If you mashed together a Vietnam War epic with a Christian end-times movie, what might emerge is one of the recent social media videos produced by the Department of Homeland Security. In early July, the department posted a minute-long short ...As the action unfolds, a man is heard quoting from the Book of Isaiah: “I heard the voice of the Lord say, ‘Whom shall I send? And who will go forth for us?’ And I said, ‘Here am I. Send me.’” The theme was echoed three weeks later by another DHS video...set to a different ominous soundtrack — “I’m the Shadows,” by the electronica act Ryutqc. A line from Proverbs appears: “The wicked flee when no man pursueth; but the righteous are as bold as a lion.” The videos conjure a veritable holy war, in which God’s soldiers prepare to battle evil, a.k.a. undocumented immigrants. These adversaries are largely implied, rendered as shadows visible only through night vision goggles — a stunning bit of dehumanization....

One running theme consists of wistful images that convey the idea of the United States as a Christian nation rooted in European aesthetics and ideals...Late last month, DHS shared an image of painter John Gast’s 1872 canvas, “American Progress,” which salutes Manifest Destiny, the concept that European settlers and their descendants had the God-given right to settle the West. The painting shows a White woman in a flowing white gown — an allegorical figure representing the United States — moving westward as she brings forth the telegraph and the steam train. Trying to get out of her path is a small group of Indigenous people. The caption reads: “A Heritage to be proud of, a Homeland worth Defending.”.... In these depictions, said historian Matthew Baigell in Smithsonian Studies in American Art, Natives were “reassigned the roles of savages and barbarians who blocked ‘progress.’” Stephen Aron, the director of the Autry Museum of the American West in Los Angeles, which owns “American Progress,” put it simply in an interview with NPR. Gast’s painting, he said, “is a whitening vision of the West.”


...As sociologists Philip S. Gorski and Samuel L. Perry note in their engaging book, “The Flag and the Cross,” the enemies targeted by White Christian nationalism have evolved over time. If in the past they were Native Americans and Catholics, these days the hellfire is reserved for immigrants and woke libs. The constant is that there is always an “us” versus “them.” “The goal is to forever redeem and restore a lost world corrupted by ‘outsiders,’” Gorski and Perry wrote. “That won’t happen without a fight. So, white Christian nationalism marches its adherents toward a bloody battle.” It’s a battle that is dragging this country into the past, a past in which some people were held up as righteous while others were treated as obstacles. This past was a vicious and ugly place, and there was nothing Christian about it."

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Fascinating article.
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If you're lecturing people about how to follow Christ and you're an atheist that is profoundly hypocritical what would you know about it?
I'm not lecturing. Just pointing out hypocrisy. 😆 Don't have to be Christian to be able to read the Bible. In fact people who claim to follow the teachings of christ can't agree what it means to be a Christian. I thought it very apropos.
 
I'm not lecturing. Just pointing out hypocrisy.
How would you know?
😆 Don't have to be Christian to be able to read the Bible.
But you do have to believe in God to be able to tell people what God wants.
In fact people who claim to follow the teachings of christ can't agree what it means to be a Christian.
Just because you don't know what they are. Humans don't follow Christ's teachings if they did there wouldn't be any need for Christ. They understand that they fall short of the grace of God see this is the stuff you're missing.
I thought it very apropos.
Because you're an outsider and don't understand.
 
How would you know?

But you do have to believe in God to be able to tell people what God wants.

Just because you don't know what they are. Humans don't follow Christ's teachings if they did there wouldn't be any need for Christ. They understand that they fall short of the grace of God see this is the stuff you're missing.

Because you're an outsider and don't understand.
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
You actually read what you post? You don't know anymore than anyone else what any God wants. You are correct, humans sure don't follow his teachings. Except for certain ones at certain times.
I know as much about God as you do which is to say absolutely nothing. I understand plenty but you go on believing you know more because you believe in a god.
 
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣
You actually read what you post? You don't know anymore than anyone else what any God wants. You are correct, humans sure don't follow his teachings. Except for certain ones at certain times.
Humans don't follow teachings because we can't. We by nature are sinful.
I know as much about God as you do which is to say absolutely nothing.
I know a little more than you
I understand plenty
Then why do you get this so wrong?
but you go on believing you know more because you believe in a god.
I at least know God exists.
 
Humans don't follow teachings because we can't. We by nature are sinful.

I know a little more than you

Then why do you get this so wrong?

I at least know God exists.
Prove god exists.

You sure as hell don't know anymore or less about any god as anyone else. The hubris exhibited by you is interesting. We can't follow teachings because we are sinful? Is that from a fortune cookie? People aren't b I rn religious or believing in God. Its learned behavior. Is a newborn baby sinful?
 
Prove god exists.
That would be only what I need to do to get other people to agree with me.

For example I could tell you what my brother is dying words were but I can't prove what they were. It doesn't mean that I don't know them.
You sure as hell don't know anymore or less about any god as anyone else.
I know more then you. Particularly that God exists.
The hubris exhibited by you is interesting.
Hubris blaming live at center and only saved by the grace of God is hubris do you know what that word means?
We can't follow teachings because we are sinful?
This is correct I'm no different.
Is that from a fortune cookie?
No it's from the Bible it's a very common theme in it you said you could read it why don't you why do you run your mouth about something you don't know?
People aren't b I rn religious or believing in God. Its learned behavior. Is a newborn baby sinful?
Exactly people aren't born sinful we are corrupted by our nature.
 
That analogy is absurd. You have no proof or any evidence that a god exists. The fact I didn't hear what you dying brother said is irrelevant. Verifying a single point in time as opposed to an all powerful supposedly existing being is comparing apples to nothing. You also could have recorded the last words. In the case of proving god show some evidence. You can't because all you have is a book of stories written over a long period of time by the much less knowledgeable people of the time. With an enormous amount of contradictions. The morals in the book also suck as with slavery. We have evolved to realize it's wrong. Most of us anyway. You don't know anymore or less than anyone else about an assumed god.
What's funny is the belief that we fall short of God's perfection but we're made by that very same God. Probably should have practiced before making man.
 
That analogy is absurd. You have no proof or any evidence that a god exists.
I didn't claim to have proof I claimed to have knowledge.
The fact I didn't hear what you dying brother said is irrelevant.
It's just an example of something I can know without being able to prove.
Verifying a single point in time as opposed to an all powerful supposedly existing being is comparing apples to nothing. You also could have recorded the last words.
How would you know that was his voice you never heard it.
In the case of proving god show some evidence.
I have no interest in proving anything to you. No it's it incumbent upon me to prove anything to you
You can't because all you have is a book of stories written over a long period of time by the much less knowledgeable people of the time. With an enormous amount of contradictions. The morals in the book also suck as with slavery.
What that if you have slaves you should treat them well. So you think people that have slaves should treat them poorly?
We have evolved to realize it's wrong.
Have we? There's a big question if we deport the people you can legally get away with exploiting who will do the jobs we use them for.

Changing the name of it doesn't make it better.
Most of us anyway. You don't know anymore or less than anyone else about an assumed god.
If you believe that than fine. I know that I do know more than you.
What's funny is the belief that we fall short of God's perfection but we're made by that very same God. Probably should have practiced before making man.
This is ignorance. God made us with free will.

God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice but then no choices. We were made this way in purpose and given choices.

These are the things you don't know.
 
I didn't claim to have proof I claimed to have knowledge.

It's just an example of something I can know without being able to prove.

How would you know that was his voice you never heard it.

I have no interest in proving anything to you. No it's it incumbent upon me to prove anything to you

What that if you have slaves you should treat them well. So you think people that have slaves should treat them poorly?

Have we? There's a big question if we deport the people you can legally get away with exploiting who will do the jobs we use them for.

Changing the name of it doesn't make it better.

If you believe that than fine. I know that I do know more than you.

This is ignorance. God made us with free will.

God would be an unfair God if he gave us free choice but then no choices. We were made this way in purpose and given choices.

These are the things you don't know.
Belief isn't knowledge no matter how much you wish it was. Slavery is wrong regardless of how they are treated. Really reaching with that one. Good to know God gave us free will.
 
Belief isn't knowledge no matter how much you wish it was.
Didn't say it was. I'm sorry you're less knowledgeable.
Slavery is wrong regardless
Sure but people still have slaves today in fact it's more common today than it was in the civil war era
of how they are treated. Really reaching with that one.
No. A prescribed treatment is better than nothing at all
Good to know God gave us free will.
You still don't know why.

I think the problem you are having with me being more knowledgeable is that you know less.
 
Didn't say it was. I'm sorry you're less knowledgeable.

Sure but people still have slaves today in fact it's more common today than it was in the civil war era

No. A prescribed treatment is better than nothing at all

You still don't know why.

I think the problem you are having with me being more knowledgeable is that you know less.
I don't have a problem. You're the one trying convince me of your superior knowledge of God all based on belief. You have no more knowledge of a God than anyone else. Certainly not based on a bunch of stories put in a single book by men. But you go on believing. Its what Christians do.
 
I don't have a problem. You're the one trying convince me of your superior knowledge of God all based on belief. You have no more knowledge of a God than anyone else. Certainly not based on a bunch of stories put in a single book by men. But you go on believing. Its what Christians do.
I know he exists. I know why we aren't made to be perfect. You didn't.
 
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