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Denmark summons top U.S. diplomat after reports of American influence operations in Greenland

Allan

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It seems that America hasn't given up its territorial expansion ambitions. We see lots of MAGA around here taking the position that the US shouldn't be engaged in foreign intervention when it comes to Ukraine.

Yet they'll defend the genocide in Gaza to enable resort development.

And now this...


 
shrug...

Big deal. What is Denmark going to do about it? Cry?

They'd better be careful. If they cry too loud, they might find themselves unable to sell anything in the US.
 
Beat me to it.

Yup, Trump is running a Russian like interference ops in Greenland. They did something similar by trying to convince other Ukrainian leaders to run against Zelenskyy although there is no election. We are quickly pissing off every country we can.
 
Allan said:
It seems that America hasn't given up its territorial expansion ambitions.
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To the contrary, America's just getting started. The dismantling of USAID and other diplomatic withdrawals was the first clue that the US was going to be less like a benevolent hegemon and more like a predator state, and that it no longer feels bound by international law but rather by the limits of their own power.

Allan said:
We see lots of MAGA around here taking the position that the US shouldn't be engaged in foreign intervention when it comes to Ukraine.

Yet they'll defend the genocide in Gaza to enable resort development.
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In both cases, I think that MAGA has a perverse admiration for the powerful dominating the weak.

Allan said:
And now this...

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I think the US is deadly serious about taking Greenland by force. It's not just talk. To those who say, Europe wouldn't allow it, consider the humiliating manner in which the US has dealt with European leadership as of late. They forced the EU to sign a completely one-sided trade deal that not only hurts their exports in an already stagnant economy but also violates their value system by forcing them to buy tons of LNG when the Continent would much rather go in the direction of solar and wind. Europe caved because they panicked about the possibility of the US abandoning NATO, which we could still easily end up doing anyway.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Big deal. What is Denmark going to do about it? Cry?

They'd better be careful. If they cry too loud, they might find themselves unable to sell anything in the US.
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I see you got your MAGA bully hat on tight.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Big deal. What is Denmark going to do about it? Cry?

They'd better be careful. If they cry too loud, they might find themselves unable to sell anything in the US.
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Were you a bully in school? You seem to enjoy the bullying this administration does.
 
multivita-man said:
To the contrary, America's just getting started.
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That's scary




Consensus, working through international coalitions and institutions have always masked American power. Its naked display by one prepared to use it can be scary and intimidating.






The manner other world leaders communicate with Trump has also changed. You wonder why they don't just kneel and kiss his ring. The recommendations for Nobel Prize. The praises. Its like something borrowed from ancient Asia. Like satraps groveling before Cyrus the Great. And Trump basking fully in the adulation. He does not for a moment, like say Caesar, act coy and with reluctance push aside these Nobel Prizes that looking awfully like Satraps offering a Crown. Even when the A Team from Europe rushed to the White House to give Zelensky some support, there was a strong air of an Emperor receiving petitions from Satraps. Ursula was careful to bury her case under heaps of praises
 
This is picking up coverage.

 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Big deal. What is Denmark going to do about it? Cry?

They'd better be careful. If they cry too loud, they might find themselves unable to sell anything in the US.
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In at #2 talking big and loud in service of Trump. Sheesh
 
Airyaman said:
I see you got your MAGA bully hat on tight.
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It's an act, it really is. I already postulated on another thread that he doesn't actually believe in the things he spouts. He just enjoys trolling for Trump.
 
holbritter said:
Were you a bully in school? You seem to enjoy the bullying this administration does.
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Bullies are cowards. You talk about bullies in school, well - true story - I smashed one in the head once in grade 8 and he never bullied anyone again.
Trump gets away with bullying because he never has to go toe to toe with anyone without the protection of his guards and sycophants. His supporters for the most part are of the same ilk, tough talk, take them on in the real world face to face and watch them turn turtle.
 
This isn't a one-off, either. The US is currently sending naval resources down to Venezuela for what could be a coup. We're considering using the military to go across the US border into Mexico to fight their cartels, which is illegal under international law (but again, if you don't believe in international law in the first place...). We sucker-punched Iran by stringing them along in negotiations regarding their nuclear weapons program all while joining Israel in a two-week war against them. We've got our eye on retaking the Panama Canal, too.

And we wonder why Russia doesn't see NATO as a self-defense force... Sometimes it pays to put yourself in your enemy's shoes and empathize with them a bit, and see yourself how they might see you. You can achieve peace that way. Or we can double and triple down on our supposed virtues and moral superiority and escalate to global destruction.
 
It's absolutely asinine. Trump's justification is that America needs Greenland as it's crucial for America's defence.

But Denmark is already a NATO country and would of course accommodate any facility that NATO (or America) feels is needed on the island.
 
That only works if Trump wants to be part of NATO, which we know he doesn't.
 

That tells you what he thinks of the value of NATO, eh? And Europe for that matter. And actually, any international relationship in which the US doesn't completely dominate.
 
holbritter said:
Were you a bully in school? You seem to enjoy the bullying this administration does.
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My theory about adult bullies is that they were bullied as children.

Psychologists support this...

Bullying: It's Not Just for Kids!

October is National Bullying Prevention Month. Learn how childhood bullying develops into adult bullying and why adult bullies have an easier time getting away with it than kids!
www.psychologytoday.com
 
multivita-man said:
That tells you what he thinks of the value of NATO, eh? And Europe for that matter. And actually, any international relationship in which the US doesn't completely dominate.
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Trump tries to control the rest of the world, Putin controls Trump.

Not a great situation for the west.
 
That makes sense.
 
Allan said:
Trump tries to control the rest of the world, Putin controls Trump.
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I don't think Putin really controls Trump. I think Trump admires alpha male types and sees Putin as a kind of archetypal figure to imitate in building his own brand of American authoritarianism. He probably wanted to believe that he and Putin could be pals and that he could influence Putin, but let's face it: he really doesn't understand global affairs and doesn't really get what Putin's issues with the West are. I think he (or his butt-sniffers in the cabinet) are gradually realizing that Trump is going to have little impact on Putin's behavior, and it's just a matter now of how Trump reacts to that reality.
 
What Trump is learning is that Putin can influence him, but it's not reciprocal.
 
Allan said:
What Trump is learning is that Putin can influence him, but it's not reciprocal.
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In the end, I don't think either really influences the other. I think Trump respects Putin on some level, not because of any endearing qualities or virtues he has but because he knows that Putin is not the guy in the school lunch line he wants to try and take lunch money from. Trump really is the schoolyard bully. He walks around miserable on the inside and he compensates for it be taking it out on other people, but like all bullies he's afraid of being exposed as not being the toughest kid in the schoolyard, so he goes around sniffing out weakness in people. He treats Europe like they're incoming freshman trying to make the football team. He's rolling up he wet towel so he can pop their asses on the way to the shower stalls.
 
Mycroft said:
shrug...

Big deal. What is Denmark going to do about it? Cry?

They'd better be careful. If they cry too loud, they might find themselves unable to sell anything in the US.
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Gee, they could start killing the American invasion force when Trump tries to annex Greenland.

And kick the U.S. out of Thule, for that matter.
 
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